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First off is the Union statement

 

CUPW Issues 72-Hour Strike Notice: A Call for Fair Negotiation

Tuesday May 20 2025

2023-2027/251
No. 83 - AMENDED

On Monday, May 19, CUPW issued a 72-hour strike notice to Canada Post. This action was not taken lightly, but it was done for several reasons.

The collective agreements for the Urban Postal Operations and the Rural and Suburban Mail Carriers bargaining units, which were extended by the Government in December 2024, are set to expire Friday, May 23 at midnight.

CUPW negotiators met with Canada Post over several days at the end of April and early May, with the goal of resolving our bargaining dispute and achieving new collective agreements for both bargaining units.

Last week, Canada Post walked away from the bargaining table for the third time, telling the Union it would return with new comprehensive offers. A week has passed. With the expiry of our collective agreements drawing closer by the day, we are still waiting. The clock is ticking, and so far, Canada Post has yet to deliver.

The day after Canada Post walked away and paused bargaining, it fired another shot, by threatening to unilaterally change your working conditions and suspend employee benefits if new agreements aren’t reached. This aggressive move undermines good faith bargaining and the stability of our public postal service. It had to be met with strong resistance. Postal workers won’t be threatened or coerced into accepting offers that will gut our collective agreements and undermine good, stable jobs.

Our right to strike was taken away from us and put on “a time out” by former Minister of Labour Steven MacKinnon’s orders and the Canada Industrial Relations Board in December 2024. By issuing this notice, we are simply announcing our intention to continue our legal strike that was put on pause by the CIRB.


The Work Continues

Although we have served notices, there is still time for negotiations to take place. We remain committed to achieving negotiated collective agreements. Your National Executive Board and Negotiating Committees urge Canada Post to return to the bargaining table with real offers that protect the health and well-being of postal workers, support the communities we serve, and ensure a strong and sustainable public postal service for all.

 

In solidarity,

Jan Simpson
National President
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Lotz, when i was looking up things about Canada Post disruptions, Canada Customs delays when my package was stuck there for 5 weeks i would get Google responses that looked like fresh info, but when i dug into it a bit some were from years ago eg pandemic and pre pandemic.

 

All i'm saying is be very wary about trusting Google AI responses for time sensitive or repetative events.  There have been oodles of CP distruptions.  Lord knows which one AI spat out at you.  And it will also change depending on how you phrase the question; even small changes in phrasing can result in totally different responses. 

 

There are a lot of good uses for Google AI and it's been very helpful to me on several occassions, usually by giving me a name or term that i was not familiar with which gave me a starting point to do my own digging and really narrowed things down for me.  But take everything AI responses give you with a grain of salt and a heap of skepticism.

 

I'm not disputing at all that the mail is slow right now, just warning you about being to trusting of AI responses.

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

 

Wouldn't your Saturday example be more like an exception vs the rule? 

That was my point, @lotzofuniquegoodies.  Sorry if I was unclear about that. I was trying to point out that the AI info-dump was suggesting that Saturday mail delivery to rural Canada wasn't unusual, and I was saying that the only reason we received rural mail delivery where I was, was because the boat carrying freight there was only scheduled three days a week, one of those days being Saturday.  In effect, we were receiving Friday's mail on Saturday.  Like you, I've never experienced Saturday mail delivery in any other rural setting.

 


@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

As for some related stories (10 years ago) on the topic of community mailboxes...love em or hate em...entertaining to say the least.


For what it's worth, I was referring to the green metal tins that I think have been phased out now.  They only had space for letters and small packages.  Any parcels had to be picked up at the post office when you went to town.  Oh, and you had to supply your own lock, too.

 

https://www.westernwheel.ca/local-news/canada-post-changing-rural-delivery-1532137

 

 

 

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Now might be a good time for people to think about using alternate carriers until we know the results of the vote. 

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I for one, will continue to use Canada Post until Canada Post is 100% not available...

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marnotom!
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This recent National Post article does an okay job of summing up the differences between the two sides' positions, but it ends rather abruptly which makes me think it was either poorly edited for length or else someone didn't like something the reporter wrote:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/canada-post-cupw-final-contract-offer

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The vote on Canada Post’s final offers will end this Friday

 

As you may know, our employees represented by the Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) are currently voting on Canada Post’s final offers for collective agreements. The voting period will end this Friday, August 1, at 5 pm ET.

 

If a majority of these employees vote to accept our final offers, they will become our new collective agreements, ending the negotiations process. In this case, the agreements would be automatically ratified and effective, retroactively, from January 31, 2024, to January 31, 2028.

 

This voting result would immediately return certainty and stability for your business. We know how important this is, especially with the fast-approaching holiday season.

 

While we are hopeful for a positive outcome, we do recognize that a majority could vote to reject the offers, leaving us without new agreements in place.

 

Unfortunately, in this case, the uncertainty would continue, especially in the immediate aftermath of the vote. We hope this is not the position we are in, as we know this ongoing and extended labour uncertainty is having a significant impact on your business.

 

Whatever the outcome of the employee vote, we will be certain to promptly inform you of the results. The Canada Industrial Relations Board (CIRB) is managing the process and once they have provided us with the results, we will in turn let you know. We understand this information will help you make important businesses decisions.

 

This vote comes at a critical time for Canada Post as we seek to modernize our delivery model so that we can better meet the evolving needs of your business, and your customers.

 
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Canada Post union workers have rejected the proposed deal :

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-contract-1.7599920
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That's unfortunate.  It'll almost certainly lead to a lockout. Canada Post really has no choice.

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Well as a Conservative once said "You could have said no".

Canada Post could have accepted all or part of the unions's positions.

But they preferred to leave their customers on tenterhooks.

And most of the problems were left over from previous negotiations, including a huge loss of money because they were not giving women workers equal pay for work of equal value. (Or even for the same work.)

 

If management goes on strike, the office minions collect their full salaries during the lockout.

The workers don't.

And our mail doesn't get delivered.

And five years or less down the line the same dance plays again.

Who wins?

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Well. Here we go again. A lockout is mostly certain.

 

God... Selling online in Canada is an extreme sport these years.

 

I guess I'll switch to Chit Chat again.

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whatever happens, happens...I may not bother to list on eBay until October anyway...In the meantime I "may" keep my Etsy shop open and utilize Purolator IF that is a viable option for the items I list & sell there...

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This combined with the repeal of the de minimis being a month away is extremely rough. 

 

Am I wrong to think that the timing of the no vote along with the de minimis being repealed has to be the end of Canada Post? If what is left of their US parcel business mostly disappears over night, when they are already bleeding money, how do they continue to operate without a deal?

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Another possibility if either party engages in further strike or lock-out actions is the Government intervening again with back-to-work legislation or another section 107 order with binding arbitration. If this happens, the Union will put forward our demands and fight against the Employer’s major rollbacks. The labour laws and principles in Canada surrounding binding arbitration of a collective agreement would not allow many of the Employer’s breakthrough demands to survive. An eventual arbitrator would likely have to choose between either party’s position on each issue in dispute. As such, we should not receive any less than Canada Post has already offered.

https://www.sttp.ca/en/campaign/resources/frequently-asked-questions-canada-post%E2%80%99s-forced-fi...

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I think the more likely scenario (or at least the one that makes the most sense) is the government rolls it back into a federal department. 

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@flipistics wrote:

I think the more likely scenario (or at least the one that makes the most sense) is the government rolls it back into a federal department. 


There’s some interesting ideas for CPC's future here, too:

https://www.policyalternatives.ca/news-research/canada-post-is-a-vital-canadian-institution-why-does...

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2025-08-01

REJECTED! CUPW MEMBERS SAY NO TO CANADA POST’S FORCED VOTE

After almost two weeks of voting, the results are now in: CUPW members in both bargaining units have spoken, and they have rejected Canada Post’s global offers.
 

RSMC UnitUrban Unit
Accept: 30.6%
Reject: 69.4%
Accept: 31.5%
Reject: 68.5%
 


With the Government's help, the Corporation threw everything it had at us. The Employer launched a propaganda campaign like we’ve never seen before. For months now, we’ve heard nothing but scare tactics and fear mongering from Canada Post. And yet, members stood up, stuck together, and they made their votes count.
 
The Government and Canada Post tried to divide us, but we said no!
 
Message to Canada Post: Negotiate Now!
Members have now made clear what our negotiators have been telling the Employer all along: these offers don’t cut it.
 
It's time for Canada Post to come back to the bargaining table and start seriously negotiating. With these votes behind us, Canada Post must now recognize that the only way forward is to negotiate ratifiable collective agreements that meet postal workers’ needs. The time for games is over.
 
Our negotiators are ready to get back to work right away. We’re committed to staying at the table until we’ve reached a deal. We expect the same from Canada Post. And we’re calling on the Government to prove to postal workers that it really respects the collective bargaining process, like it says it does. If the Government truly respects unions and collective bargaining, it will keep out. No more back to work orders. No more forced votes.
 
In the meantime, our national overtime ban remains in effect.

In solidarity,
Jan Simpson
National President

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Just hope there is not a general strike.  I am going to be moving as much of the non-US, non-China stuff on my shelf as possible in August but a work stoppage would kill a lot of that.  

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Just hope there is not a general strike.  I am going to be moving as much of the non-US, non-China stuff on my shelf as possible in August but a work stoppage would kill a lot of that.  


@byto253 

I know we will be hearing from eBay that IF there is a general strike just use other methods for shipping. Unfortunately that is not possible for ALL Canadian sellers either depending on their location or type of items they list and sell. As an example there just aren't economical replacements for letter mail within Canada. A good percentage of sellers would be back to down time.  For now all we can do is continue crossing our fingers and hoping for the best. 

 

As posted in another discussion, a way to search our current listings for Coo would be extremely helpful. Again, not perfect if a seller has 1000's of listings and that info was never required or was not available at the time. Having a way for buyers to root out that technicality would be the 2nd part of the equation...so there isn't major sticker shock AFTER making a purchase. 

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Here is the info from the link. THIS is what should be done, IMO!

Canada Post is a vital Canadian institution—why doesn’t the government act that way?

The federal government, and Canada Post management, seem content to manage the decline rather than saving the postal service

June 5, 2025

Written b‎y:‎

 

 

On May 23, Canada Post workers once again entered a legal strike position. The Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) had previously been on strike less than six months ago, during the holiday season, in an attempt to work out a new collective agreement. So far, the workers have opted for an “overtime ban,” a refusal to do any overtime work, rather than a full strike.

In the lead-up to the May 23 deadline, Canada Post management refused a two-week truce proposed by the workers which would have held off any potential work stoppage. An actual strike or lockout could now begin at any time. 

The stakes are high. Canada Post is a vital Canadian institution, which serves Canadians across the country in an affordable and reliable public logistics network for letters, parcels, and more. But the organization is facing a financial crisis, and its future is very much on the table in this round of negotiations. 

A model reaching its end

Canada Post is a crown corporation, meaning that, like all crown corporations, it is managed independently of the whims of Parliament. Unlike other crown corporations like the CBC, however, Canada Post receives no taxpayer funding. It is meant to be entirely self-financed through its own activities, such as selling stamps, and receives no funding from the federal government. That changed slightly last year, when the feds provided a loan of just over $1 billion to keep it afloat.

The Canada Post Corporation, though, is a relatively recent invention. The crown corporation was actually only created as an independent entity in 1981, when parliament passed the Canada Post Corporation Act. Prior to that, the post office was managed directly by the federal government as the Post Office Department. Now, it would have a CEO instead of postmaster general, and it would operate independently of the government.

Creating Canada Post was meant to solve a number of problems. From the federal government’s perspective, creating an independent (and self-financed) crown corporation would allow it to offload the post office’s growing deficits and impose some market discipline on the organization’s operations. Canada Post Corporation announced its first surplus in 1989.

From the workers’ perspective, too, it would simplify negotiations over their contracts—previously, the workers had been forced to navigate a byzantine maze of responsibility-shifting, in which post office management claimed that they couldn’t act in certain ways due to orders from the federal government, while the federal government claimed it was post office management’s responsibility to make decisions. 

It was a mess, and creating an independent crown corporation was meant to solve some of that complexity.

So Canada Post Corporation would lose out on federal funding, while continuing to be required to service every home address in Canada on every business day. In exchange for this, the federal government granted the corporation a monopoly on letter mail delivery in Canada.

This arrangement worked well, for a while. Canada Post maintained service, even as the number of addresses in the country grew, and even turned a profit. Workers were able to make real gains in the simplified negotiating structure—including being the first workers outside Quebec to win maternity leave, paving the way for parental leave to become a universal right a few years later. 

Then, of course, things changed. The internet arrived and cratered letter mail—both by eliminating letter-based correspondence as well as digitizing things like bank statements. Over the past 20 years, letter mail volume has declined by 3 billion articles per year, each of which means less stamp income for the corporation—all while the number of addresses it must service daily has risen by 3 million. 

The parcel market has, of course, grown dramatically over the past decades due to the rise in online shopping, particularly since the pandemic. But unlike letters, Canada Post has no monopoly over parcels, and competes with private, for-profit carriers in that space. 

For a long time, that meant large companies like FedEx, DHL, and UPS—but in recent years, it has been forced to compete with an army of low-wage gig economy subcontractors with no benefits or job security. These operations tend to concentrate in urban areas—which are profitable—while leaving unprofitable remote areas to Canada Post, further draining its resources. Since those companies entered the market in large numbers, Canada Post’s market share for parcel delivery has tanked—from 62 per cent in 2019 to 29 per cent in 2023.

The crown corporation is now losing around a billion dollars per year, and has operated at a loss for the past seven years. Without the billion dollar loan it received from the federal government in January 2025, it likely would have had to cease operations.

The federal government ended a strike at Canada Post earlier this year by creating an Industrial Inquiry Commission to investigate the labour dispute, forcing workers back to work while they waited for the results. The commission’s report, which came out in May, argued that the company must significantly transform its operations. It provided a number of recommendations:

  • Ending door-to-door mail delivery (except for businesses) and replacing it with community mailboxes
  • Ending the moratorium on rural post office closures
  • Allowing Canada Post to hire part-time workers to cover week and weekend parcel delivery
  • Introduce “dynamic routing” to change delivery routes on a daily basis based on parcel volumes
  • Simplify the process to increase stamp prices

Taken together, these recommendations represent a market-driven roadmap for how Canada Post could try to compete with private sector parcel delivery. But what if those are the answers to the wrong question?

A roadmap for a 21st century post office

It’s true that Canada Post needs fundamental change—both the workers and management agree on that. It’s also true that many of those changes need to take place outside of the bargaining table—through changes to legislation, the postal charter, and so on. 

What, though, should be the end goal of those changes? It’s quite clear that Canada Post, in its current model, cannot compete with the hyper-exploitative gig economy operations of the Amazon age. Why would we even want it to?

Canada Post is a fundamentally different operation than the new entrants into the parcel sector. It is a highly-developed logistics network with unparalleled reach—warehouses and sorting plants across the country, and the capacity to service every address in Canada. No fly-by-night gig delivery company comes even close to that capacity.

The issue is that Canada Post’s outdated structure—and lack of ability to change it without legislative help—makes it unable to take advantage of its strengths. In Parliament and at the negotiating table, there’s a lot of room to make changes that would strengthen the post office.

Ban gig economy practices in the Canada Labour Code: Many of the larger courier companies which “compete” with Canada Post in the parcel delivery sector are regulated by the Canada Labour Code, as opposed to provincial labour codes, while many of the smaller ones are provincially regulated. The federal government should immediately reform the code to ban exploitative gig economy practices, strengthen worker protections against illegal misclassification as “independent contractors,” and guarantee a minimum wage for all delivery drivers (as opposed to the piece-work system in place at many companies right now, where workers are paid per parcel). Doing so would take the wind out of the sails of some of the most predatory actors in the sector, who are hoovering up market share at the expense of good jobs. Having set the model, the feds should then work with the provinces to encourage them to change their labour codes as well.

Weekend delivery that works for workers: One of the key sticking points at the negotiating table is weekend delivery of parcels. Both sides agree that it needs to happen, but don’t agree on how workers should be classified. A number of collective agreements have threaded the needle here in ways that could be applied here—and it is vital that the parties come to an agreement on the issue. Canada Post needs to deliver parcels on weekends, and organize those deliveries in a way that preserves and expands good jobs at the post office.

Increase stamp prices with inflation: Canada Post’s stamp prices have not kept up with the cost of inflation and wages in Canada, and increasing stamp prices is a bureaucratically cumbersome process. The federal government could implement automatic annual stamp price increases at the rate of inflation.

Federal capital funding for Canada Post: The current government ran on a platform of big “nation-building” projects, defending important Canadian institutions like CBC, and increasing investment in building Canadian infrastructure. It can hit all three of these marks by opening up a new and reliable capital fund for Canada Post, allowing the crown corporation to tap into resources to do things like build new parcel facilities, renew its vehicle fleet with Canadian-made electric vehicles, using the existing network of post offices to build a national electric vehicle charging network, and more.

Transfer shuttered Amazon warehouses to Canada Post: One obvious place where the federal government could begin moving Canada Post towards greater parcel capacity would be by expropriating the parcel sorting facilities that Amazon has abandoned in Quebec, and handing them over to the post office. Canada Post could then hire the Amazon workers, who the company illegally fired for unionizing, as part of a plan to ramp up its parcel delivery capacity and take back market share. 

Service expansion at the post office: Canada Post workers have a well-developed plan for how the post office could move beyond logistics, becoming in addition a network of community hubs across the country. This includes things like a revival of postal banking (which existed in Canada until banks pressured the government to end the program in 1968) which could finance community development initiatives, having postal workers perform voluntary wellness checks on seniors and Canadians living with disabilities, building high-speed internet infrastructure at rural post offices to expand rural internet access, and more. All of these options, in addition to modernizing Canada Post and expanding services for Canadians, would also bring in new revenue to the crown corporation—and they all exist, in some form, in countries around the world.

Extend Canada Post’s letter monopoly to small parcels: In the years leading up to Canada Post’s creation in 1981, the workers and the government negotiated for a long time over what exactly should be subject to the post office’s mandate. In the end, the federal government granted the crown corporation a monopoly over letters, but not parcels. The workers’ position, however, was that the mandate should be extended to small parcels—within a size range typically used by small businesses, not corporate giants. What would the post office look like today if that had been the case? Taking this scenario further, the federal government could also provide Canada Post with funding in order to deliver parcels at a loss, effectively providing a subsidy to Canadians looking to start their own businesses. 

Public consultations on governance reform: The rules that govern Canada Post were written in two stages—in 1981, when the crown corporation was created, and in 2009, with the postal charter. Both of these documents are severely outdated and do not reflect the ways that Canadians use the post office—or logistics more broadly—in the era of mass digitization. Both these governing documents should be re-written, from scratch, in a process that is fully open and democratic. Communities across the country continue to rely on the post office—what do they want it to look like?

Protecting Canadian institutions

There is no doubt that Canada Post is in a real moment of crisis. The post office—an institution that helped to build this country, set workplace standards from which all Canadians benefit, and continues to provide vital services to all Canadians, especially rural Canadians—is under threat by a combination of institutional inertia, a structure built for a different era,  and outside threats from predatory capital. 

Canadians feel strongly about protecting our institutions, particularly now. The current government of Canada rode to power, against all odds, on that wave of popular sentiment. It should start acting that way when it comes to Canada Post.

The government still has the room to save the public post office, but it needs to act boldly and decisively. If we lose the post office, we will miss

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Canada Post workers reject the last offer....

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-post-contract-1.7599920

 

 

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