Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post

[musicyouneed]

Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post.  What do you think is going to happen?  Are the postal workers going to be on strike till Christmas?  Canada Post has 45 days to produce a plan re the proposed changes, are the postal workers going to stay out till then or longer?  

I am hoping that by mid month Oct the government orders them back to work with arbitration.  I am hoping that the government says that Canada Post has to work within it's budget and that they are not going to be bailed out by the tax payer.  They need to cut about 20% of their workforce.  Canada post workers are not going to like that one bit.  It is going to get ugly. 

What does your crystal ball say?

[ilikehockeyjerseys]

They might be using Chit Chats or Stallion. 

A CD now costs $4.29 to ship via lettermail. Intelcom is $5-$6 via Stallion. Of course, rural areas aren't accessible so if they are doing this they might be cancel or offering to hold rural orders. 

Or, they are taking sales and holding them for the customers until Canada Post comes back.

[mrdutch1001]

" they do have to worry about rabies from loose dogs.. "?? 

as would anyone, any pedestrian walking the street where there are "loose dogs" ....

"loose dogs" are meanace to the general public, not just posties!

[widgetc]

Above I expressed the idea that the government would not be in a rush to legislate postal workers back to work because they won’t want organized labour up in arms before spending cuts to federal departments.  I thought they would wait for divisions in the union to develop. That seems to have started.

https://www.thestar.com/business/weve-shot-ourselves-in-the-foot-cracks-showing-in-canada-post-strik...

[chicweb]

PLEASE, do not compare police work with postal workers.... That's way way way different and completely unrealistic to even try to compare.

Police work is dangerous, yes. And they also must deal with very difficult situations that I would never even consider doing myself. Drunk people, violence, very difficult family situations, criminality. Must be psychologically and emotionnaly draining. It's not just giving speed tickets.

Delivering mail and having the security of the general public in their hands is not the same.

[chicweb]

I personnally think the government and the Corp knows time will work in their favor. Unfortunately for us, sellers.

They might drag it out and force CUPW to accept the offer or stop the strike by themselve, because of general public opinion and money. Workers will more and more express their anger toward the union, I'm pretty sure.

The Corp has a winning hand if they just play the long game. 

[movie_galaxy]

In 2022, the fatal injury rate for construction and extraction occupations was 13.0 deaths per 100,000 full-time equivalent (FTE) workers, compared to 10.2 per 100,000 for protective service occupations (which includes police officers).

For electricians, the fatality rate is 16.6 per 100,000.

I totally understand why people think being a police officer is dangerous, but statistically there are many jobs that are more dangerous.

My overall point is that it is unsustainable to pay police officers 2 or 3 times more than a postal worker and expect the postal worker to afford to live in the same community as the officers and not to go on strike over cost-of-living issues.

[movie_galaxy]

I did another search to get more statistics. Here are stats from 2023 in the USA from the Bureau of Labor Statistics:

[marnotom!]

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@mrdutch1001 wrote:

" they do have to worry about rabies from loose dogs.. "?? 

as would anyone, any pedestrian walking the street where there are "loose dogs" ....

"loose dogs" are meanace to the general public, not just posties!

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A typical mail carrier is going to cover a lot more distance in a day than a typical pedestrian, and unlike a pedestrian, they’re going to be entering people’s yards where dogs are more likely to be found.

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@marnotom! wrote:

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@mrdutch1001 wrote:

" they do have to worry about rabies from loose dogs.. "?? 

as would anyone, any pedestrian walking the street where there are "loose dogs" ....

"loose dogs" are meanace to the general public, not just posties!

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A typical mail carrier is going to cover a lot more distance in a day than a typical pedestrian, and unlike a pedestrian, they’re going to be entering people’s yards where dogs are more likely to be found.

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@marnotom! 

@mrdutch1001 

With community mail boxes a typical mail carrier is not really longer a thing. They drive their little vans right up to the mailbox. At most walk around their vehicle and move mail in bundles to box. There are even a number of vehicles that are right hand drive to decrease the amount they walk. The ONLY time I get actual attempted home delivery is if the parcel happens to be slightly larger than what community mail box will handle or if the item is coming Priority or Xpresspost and requires a signature.  Often they will leave tag without ringing doorbell. Calgary was ummm "priviledged" to start getting those fangled mail boxes in 2014. Regular mailboxes (attached to a house) are now mainly used for decoration purposes only. One of the other concerns is having your community mail box vandalized. Especially if it happens to be in an area that is not well lit. 

The only other way you will get actual delivery is if you live in an apartment or condo. Something couriers are not so good at because it involves ringing a buzzer and going to the door. 

[widgetc]

Human rabies is very rare in Canada, with only 28 deaths reported since 1924. Getting hit by a car is far  more likely.

[reallynicestamps]

I wasn't comparing detectives with posties. 

I was comparing them to NURSES. Specifically home care nurses who work alone. 

Nursing is a dangerous profession. 

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

eBay seller protections during cp strike.

In addition, we are taking steps to automatically protect your account from defects, including:

• Late Shipment Rate (LSR) defects  

• Valid tracking upload rate   

• Negative or Neutral Feedback if you uploaded tracking before the case was opened and have a physical scan from the carrier 

• Seller-initiated cancellations 

eBay will continue to monitor the situation and provide additional information and recommendations as events progress. You can monitor for updates on the eBay Community or directly on the Canada Post website.

[chicweb]

You remember when newspaper was still a thing? Young teens would deliver them, every morning, to every houses in their neighborhood during all four seasons.

One would think that if rabies was really that big of a thing, parents would never have allowed their kids to take that small job. 😉

For being hit by a car, that's a danger for every human being walking outside.

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@musicyouneed wrote:

I was on a Facebook group and they don't think that any thing will happen until mid November or later.  I know that union was meeting with the minister responsible tonight.  They want the government postion reversed, like that is going to happen.  Union members are losing about $1000 a week so over 6 weeks each member would lose $6,000 going into Christmas.   I am not very happy with the union right now.  Another Christmas ruined for sales.  I will be extending my time away until the 18th.

On another note several competitors in my area are selling CD's like crazy (regular CD prices) with really cheap shipping or free by letter mail.  They are not on time away.  Do they know something I don't?

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Probably can't ship the orders yet... it's safer to be on time away. I keep thinking about the poster that had 50% in INRs on their orders during the last strike.

I've got a tracking sheet where I'm keeping track of everything that's not delivered and I sent out to coupons. I will follow up with a message in a few days to keep tabs on these buyers (might stop an INR, but I won't block anyone if they file one, since this was rather unexpected. It's not like they knew when they ordered there might be a strike). Some of the buyers are in the US, I don't expect a lot of forgiveness there.

C.

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@mrdutch1001 wrote:

" they do have to worry about rabies from loose dogs.. "?? 

as would anyone, any pedestrian walking the street where there are "loose dogs" ....

"loose dogs" are meanace to the general public, not just posties!

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My partner missed out on our trip to Greenland because of "rabies exposure" from a bite. The animal was wild though and got into his house, not quite the same. I think a lot about things like loose dogs after that happened... I go to lots of third world places with loose dogs.

C.

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@widgetc wrote:

Human rabies is very rare in Canada, with only 28 deaths reported since 1924. Getting hit by a car is far  more likely.

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My partner got 5 shots for exposure to rabies (it's supposed to be 4 in Canada but he's immunosuppressed). It's not that he had a high risk of getting rabies, but if you do get it it's almost always fatal once symptoms develop.

In our area 1% of bats have rabies and bats you can approach and touch are more likely to be rabbid, hence the gross over reaction and missing out on a $5000 holiday... I went anyway and had a great time meeting other solo travellers.

C.

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@chicweb wrote:

You remember when newspaper was still a thing? Young teens would deliver them, every morning, to every houses in their neighborhood during all four seasons.

One would think that if rabies was really that big of a thing, parents would never have allowed their kids to take that small job. 😉

For being hit by a car, that's a danger for every human being walking outside.

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I used to work in actuerial in insurance, and there are a lot of very bad drivers in Southern Ontario (can't speak for other provinces, I was dealing with Ontario). Ride share drivers and fleet drivers have high incidences of accidents involving pedestrians.

C.

[widgetc]

My point is the rabies risk is trivial. 28 deaths in all of Canada in 100 years and very few of those if any were from dogs. By comparison in Canada there are about 2 or 3 deaths each year by lightning  and typically 180 injuries.

[widgetc]

Ahhh...now CUPW has announced they will revert to rotating strikes. I won't reopen my store until at least Tuesday because I wonder if Canada Post will lock them out. With rotating strikes mail volume will still be reduced and Canada Post will lose more money and they likely will worry that CUPW will resume a full strike closer to Christmas. I am guessing the decision to go to rotating strikes is due to pressure from unhappy members not getting paid.

[regs43]

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@sapphyres-designer-jewellery wrote:

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@musicyouneed wrote:

I was on a Facebook group and they don't think that any thing will happen until mid November or later.  I know that union was meeting with the minister responsible tonight.  They want the government postion reversed, like that is going to happen.  Union members are losing about $1000 a week so over 6 weeks each member would lose $6,000 going into Christmas.   I am not very happy with the union right now.  Another Christmas ruined for sales.  I will be extending my time away until the 18th.

On another note several competitors in my area are selling CD's like crazy (regular CD prices) with really cheap shipping or free by letter mail.  They are not on time away.  Do they know something I don't?

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Probably can't ship the orders yet... it's safer to be on time away. I keep thinking about the poster that had 50% in INRs on their orders during the last strike.

I've got a tracking sheet where I'm keeping track of everything that's not delivered and I sent out to coupons. I will follow up with a message in a few days to keep tabs on these buyers (might stop an INR, but I won't block anyone if they file one, since this was rather unexpected. It's not like they knew when they ordered there might be a strike). Some of the buyers are in the US, I don't expect a lot of forgiveness there.

C.

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I upped my shipping to 30 day handling, that's staying as is for a long while (probably the New Year).

Im on Time Away accepting orders and will proceed with using lettermail and mail next week when I assume we can drop stuff off at some point, unless Canada Post locks them out (hopefully not)