Sending to USA with UPS United States

[chicweb]

I'm doing it, guys. Taking the risk for the good of humanity (ok, maybe I'm over-exagerating, but hey.... I'll give it a shot).

I will let you know how it goes.

First it's a Magazine made in USA.

- 4902.90 = In USMCA. Should not be tariffed.

- Made in USA = Clearly stated in Magazine and in COO.

- Used UPS United States. Sent EDI by eBay Labels (No need of any paperworks attached)

- Valued at less than 2500$ US. (See below)

- I have contacted the buyer telling them there might have fees collected at the reception. (brokeage /tariff fees?). They accepted and understood.

I will update this thread to tell you how it goes. Will go bring it to the UPS store tomorrow to make sure it is going to pass the border after the 29 of August. It's a test, and I don't care paying any fees if there's a problem. I want to see how it goes.

As per the 2500$ USD, here is the explanation

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/USMCA/FAQs

Are there exceptions to USMCA’s certification of origin requirement?
A certification of origin is not required for: (1) a non-commercial importation of a good, or (2) a commercial importation for which the value of the originating goods does not exceed US $2,500, provided the importation does not form part of a series of importations that may be considered to have been undertaken or arranged for purposes of evading United States laws, regulations, or procedures governing claims for preferential treatment. Note that even if the value of non-originating goods is less than US $2,500, a written statement certifying that the goods originate may still be required. Further, if CBP determines that an importation is part of a series of importations carried out or planned for purposes of evading compliance with preference requirements, the importer may be required to submit a certification of origin.

[john_koenig99]

Good luck! I think you are going to need it. Lots of it. 

[chicweb]

It's OK. I'm ready for it 🙂 

And, as a bonus, if there's any problems (customer refuse the fees), I will even document what happened, what I did, if I contact eBay about questions for refunds in this scenario, everything.

So, let's wait and see.

[drath999]

I just got a sale from the US as well (very surprising with the shipping cost/item cost with UPS). I'm going to risk it as well. I messaged them letting them know I can't confirm if or any additional charges they will incur on delivery (Item is "produced" in Puerto Rico, in my case), and they were good with it.

[chicweb]

 Can you let us know too in this thread how it goes?

The more tests the better.

[vintage_america]

I tried this.

Sold a 60$ backpack. Told customer there will be tariffs and fees. Customer said it’s ok. UPS charged him 90$ usd in tariffs and a ‘brokerage fee’. The brokerage fee was 45 usd. Buyer filed a chargeback. I lost the case.

No more UPS til something changes.

[chicweb]

We will see. There's many things involved. Country of origin? Hs code?

For 45$ of brokage, I guess they had some work to do. If they charged tariff, it might not have been USCMA compliant.

[vintage_america]

This was for a China COO backpack. I forget hst code now but it was included properly.
As you likely know, the de minimus removal started with China. The rest of the world gets hit with same removal this Friday. Couriers like UPS charge high fees on top of tariffs. Until and if that changes I won’t be using them. If you get a better outcome I would like to know.
Personally I will wait for the eBay/Canada Post solution of collection tariffs from buyers at checkout. Or if chit chats works something out but looks like they are strictly DDP from now on.

[brettjet38]

Which is why I will use 

eBay International Shipping

When it comes to Canada, until the new upfront tariff and duties system is put in place by the postal systems.

UPS \ FedEx to the USA or International =

[chicweb]

Yes, I guess it was because of China.

Since my item should be compliant USCMA without the need of a certification, It shouldn't, logically, have tariffs/duties. Only the brokage fees (if they decide to request it from recipient).

I think the mimimum would be around 10$? Not sure.

I will let everyone know here how it goes.

[steve-02]

I sell records on Discogs and I received an email from them today saying that vinyl records and cds are exempt from tariffs under US law 50 USC 1702(b)(3).
50 U.S.C. § 1702(b)(3) is a section of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) that creates exceptions to U.S. President-imposed sanctions, specifically exempting certain "information or informational materials" from duties, regardless of commercial nature. These materials include publications, films, artwork, music, and digital media.

With all that said, hopefully your magazine will be in the clear!
I’m stocking up on books and cds at garage sales this weekend!

[marnotom!]

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@vintage_america wrote:

UPS charged him $90 usd in tariffs and a ‘brokerage fee’. The brokerage fee was 45 usd. Buyer filed a chargeback. I lost the case.

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Did the buyer file a chargeback or a case through the Money Back Guarantee? And on what grounds? “Item not as described”?

[neotrendsstampco]

Here is text from the FAQ question about what informational materials will be exempt:

Headings 9903.01.22, 9903.01.12, 9903.01.03, and 9903.01.31 describe informational materials, including but not limited to, publications, films, posters, phonograph records, photographs, microfilms, microfiche, tapes, compact discs, CD ROMs, artworks, and news wire feeds.

Goods properly classified under the following headings and subheadings of the HTSUS may qualify for the exception under 9903.01.22, 9903.01.12, 9903.01.03, and 9903.01.31: Chapter 49; goods provided for in headings 3704, 3705, 3706, 5807, 8310, and 9701 through 9705, inclusive; goods provided for in subheadings 6307.90.30, 6307.90.85, 8523.80.10, 8523.29, 8523.41, 8523.49, 9405.61, and 9405.69.

When I attempted to purchase postage label just now on Chitchat's website, the tarrif rate for postage stamps (HTS 9704.00.00.00) with country of origin being Canada was quoted as 35%. I thought the exemption covers items in headings 9701 through 9705. Stamps are in heading 9704.

[vintage_america]

PayPal chargeback via item not received even though he wrote ‘return to sender’ and the reason was buyer refused package. He knew he’d lose through any ebay case. And I not only lost the money but have to pay to get the item back. UPS takes it right from the eBay funds because I purchased the label there. That’s why I had to try and challenge it and still lost.

[transtraders]

Perhaps its exempt from Duties but not Tarrifs?

[marnotom!]

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@vintage_america wrote:

PayPal chargeback via item not received even though he wrote ‘return to sender’ and the reason was buyer refused package. He knew he’d lose through any ebay case. And I not only lost the money but have to pay to get the item back. UPS takes it right from the eBay funds because I purchased the label there. That’s why I had to try and challenge it and still lost.

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In fairness, I can see why PayPal doesn't offer seller protection for refused shipments in general, as the seller can't ethically keep the refused item and the buyer's money, but the fact that it's no longer eBay's payment processor means it doesn't have its ear to the ground as closely as it should for international sales and their complexities.  But if the tracking information doesn't provide the reason for the refusal of the package, there's no way of knowing that tariffs and customs-related fees were the reasons for the refusal, which means there's a chance that your buyer could have filed a case through eBay and been successful that way, too.

Sorry this happened to you.  That's pretty scummy of the buyer to nod and say "yup-yup-yup" when advised of charges on delivery, but I'm getting the sense from your posts and others like it that US buyers who agree to paying tariffs and sundry fees upon receipt have no idea what they're getting themselves into.  Never fear, Karma will bite them below the tailbone at some point.

One small point, if I may: I believe the term "chargeback" only refers to disputes for charges made to a credit card or US-style debit card.  There's no such thing as a "PayPal chargeback," as far as I know.

[nhl_automotive]

If it's a low value magazine like under $40 or so you can expect your buyer to get the minimum $10 brokerage fee. I think companies like UPS and FedEx will be making sure they collect their fees at every opportunity they can, even if there are no tariffs and the item is made in the USA. 

When US ebay buyers purchase right now there is a window that explains they will be charged duties/brokerage fees and may be charged tariffs and even has a link to their tariff page so they can't say they weren't warned.

[wilsonharborsales]

Good luck! Let us know how much in fees and brokerage charges you get slapped with next month!

[chicweb]

I tested this same order on Chit Chat with their new DDP to see the fees.

The customer paid 19.92$ of shipping (with 10$ that will be requested) with UPS.

With Chit Chat DDP: 9.92$. I have to ship in my item (add 7$. Less per item if consolidated in a box sent to Chit Chat).

16,92$. 

So here's a possible solution for me until eIS is here. Use UPS as calculated shipping for United States, Use Chit Chat with Ship in. Even with the added purolator fees to send Chit Chat the order, it seem it will be less expensive than UPS and no fees requested at the door.

Note that this is with a Magazine made in USA. Tariffs might not be included on the 9,92$ because not needed in this case. Other items might be different.

The only possible problem = delay. The estimated dates can be a bit off.

[phc64]

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@steve-02 wrote:
I sell records on Discogs and I received an email from them today saying that vinyl records and cds are exempt from tariffs under US law 50 USC 1702(b)(3).
50 U.S.C. § 1702(b)(3) is a section of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) that creates exceptions to U.S. President-imposed sanctions, specifically exempting certain "information or informational materials" from duties, regardless of commercial nature. These materials include publications, films, artwork, music, and digital media.

With all that said, hopefully your magazine will be in the clear!
I’m stocking up on books and cds at garage sales this weekend!

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Among the 'sanctions' the IEEPA authorizes the president to impose, tariffs are not mentioned. That is the issue currently before the US Supreme Court. Lower courts have already ruled against the government on this issue.