Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post

Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post.  What do you think is going to happen?  Are the postal workers going to be on strike till Christmas?  Canada Post has 45 days to produce a plan re the proposed changes, are the postal workers going to stay out till then or longer?  

 

I am hoping that by mid month Oct the government orders them back to work with arbitration.  I am hoping that the government says that Canada Post has to work within it's budget and that they are not going to be bailed out by the tax payer.  They need to cut about 20% of their workforce.  Canada post workers are not going to like that one bit.  It is going to get ugly. 

 

What does your crystal ball say?

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Canada Post does NOT do buyouts

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Thanks. Had not been aware of that. I had ended all my .com listings & US shipping on .ca listings for now anyway. Cutting out 75% of my audience hurt & I was starting to get a few Canadian sales then bam another freaking postal strike. Just can't win.  Am seriously thinking of giving up my store.

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Thanks. Had not been aware of that. I had ended all my .com listings & US shipping on .ca listings for now anyway. Cutting out 75% of my audience hurt & I was starting to get a few Canadian sales then bam another freaking postal strike. Just can't win.  Am seriously thinking of giving up my store.


@katlover1952 

It sounds like many other Canadian sellers were caught offguard about that banner. There was no warning for sellers. And once seen by a buyer difficult to unsee if it does happen to cause them run for the hills. It's become very challenging (with eBay) when it comes to procedures and tool modifications to know what is permanent vs temporary.  Sellers shouldn't need to be adding their own banners to protect themselves. (Plus no guarantees) a buyer will even see.

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I predict a long strike. The government wants a major restructuring and subsequent stability in the work force so trust can be rebuilt with the users of the post office. They see the refusal of obeying back to work orders by Air Canada employees as a dangerous precedent and other unions are likely to lend support.  I think this is a worry for the government.

The postal workers only voted 70% against accepting in the forced vote. So I suspect they will let the members lose pay for a couple of months and the union deplete its resources in a strike. Then an offer will be accepted and the old union leadership soon ousted. Once it is over restructuring will occur in a stable environment.

I hope I am wrong.

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@musicyouneed wrote:

In 2024, Canada Post reported that labour and employee benefits constituted 64.9% of their total operating expenses. This means that for every dollar Canada Post spent on its operations, almost 65 cents went to employee compensation and benefits, with daily labour costs alone exceeding $10 million in that year. 


“According to the union, between 2017 and 2023, non-labour spending at Canada Post grew by 56.5 per cent, while wages rose by only 14.1 per cent. In addition, the company hasn’t contributed to the union’s pension fund since May 2023.”

https://www.readthemaple.com/canada-post-workers-are-fighting-an-employer-led-race-to-the-bottom/

 

Labour costs are a significant line item for most organizations, including Walmart:

 

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/020916/walmarts-biggest-liability-labor-costs-wmt.as...

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Canada post can solve $$$ losses.
I know many wont like it.
Canada post can stop giving discounts to corporations for shipping Ebay Amazon.
It can also stop accepting packages from secondary shippers like Chichats Stallion and others.

Thus all mail parcels would have to be purchased from Canada Post site or from post office and not through Ebay or others.

May sound extreme and i know many wont like it and possibly have increases to pay in shippping lables, otherwise Canada Post is not going to survive unless mail service goes 3 times a week and maybe half the force chopped including post office locations or keep locations but get ried of private post offices like in Shoppers Rexall and few others.
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@33nhl wrote:
Canada post can solve $$$ losses.
I know many wont like it.
Canada post can stop giving discounts to corporations for shipping Ebay Amazon.
It can also stop accepting packages from secondary shippers like Chichats Stallion and others.

Thus all mail parcels would have to be purchased from Canada Post site or from post office and not through Ebay or others.

May sound extreme and i know many wont like it and possibly have increases to pay in shippping lables, otherwise Canada Post is not going to survive unless mail service goes 3 times a week and maybe half the force chopped including post office locations or keep locations but get ried of private post offices like in Shoppers Rexall and few others.

I'm located in Calgary in a residential area. My closest depot is an SD location approx. 20 mins away. Next is in a mall in another SD location. There was a private CP outlet in same mall but that closed several years ago.  Next nearest is in another SD 2 buses away. UPS is similar. 2 buses. Closing locations willy nilly would be extremely frustrating for many small sellers. As for regular CP full service outlets, at least in Calgary they have become more of the exception vs the rule. As closing CP outlets in rural areas I don't even want to go there.

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@33nhl wrote:
Canada post can solve $$$ losses.
I know many wont like it.
Canada post can stop giving discounts to corporations for shipping Ebay Amazon.
It can also stop accepting packages from secondary shippers like Chichats Stallion and others.

Thus all mail parcels would have to be purchased from Canada Post site or from post office and not through Ebay or others.

May sound extreme and i know many wont like it and possibly have increases to pay in shippping lables, otherwise Canada Post is not going to survive unless mail service goes 3 times a week and maybe half the force chopped including post office locations or keep locations but get ried of private post offices like in Shoppers Rexall and few others.

I disagree. I actually think doing that would be disasterous for them. Bigger businesses already get substantial discounts from the other shipping companies (seemingly on par or cheaper than what Canada Post gives, which is why many of them now use the alternate carriers) and other options are giving large company discounts to small businesses (Click Ship, Shippo, Net Parcel, etc).  If they were to make those changes, they'd basically lose most of the parcel business. 

I think they need to do the opposite. Offer cheaper shipping, especially to small businesses, to attract the business back to them. The more they can run roughly at capacity, the more efficient they become and the better their financials should be. When you hear about letter carriers being paid full time hours but only working half a day, then getting overtime to prepare for the next day, you know there's a major problem with the system.

 

Things that Canada Post needs to do (IMO):

 

1. Offer an ultra cheap option (to everyone) with much longer delivery times. These packages can be used to increase network efficiency.

2. Utilize our rail network for lower tier services.

3. Offer a semi-tracked lettermail option (maybe for $1 more), similar to the eBay standard envelope in the USA or the tracking the new stamps offer in the UK. This would give a bump to lettermail volume without adding extra time for letter carriers. Every bit helps!

4. Community mailboxes.

5. Reduce the frequency that mail is delivered based on volume. Maybe 2 days a week in rural areas to every day in dense urban areas.

6. Allow the post office to be a drop point and receiver for all carriers (for a small fee). This would help people combat porch piracy.

7. Allow the post office to be a drop and pickup point for people doing local sales (for a small fee).

8. Add ecommerce store integration directly into the post office. I believe Royal Mail does this.

9. Introduce packing services (for a fee). This isn't aimed at businesses, but at individuals. I think some places already do this with returns?

 

If anyone has other suggestions, put 'em below!

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

@katlover1952 wrote:

Thanks. Had not been aware of that. I had ended all my .com listings & US shipping on .ca listings for now anyway. Cutting out 75% of my audience hurt & I was starting to get a few Canadian sales then bam another freaking postal strike. Just can't win.  Am seriously thinking of giving up my store.


@katlover1952 

It sounds like many other Canadian sellers were caught offguard about that banner. There was no warning for sellers. And once seen by a buyer difficult to unsee if it does happen to cause them run for the hills. It's become very challenging (with eBay) when it comes to procedures and tool modifications to know what is permanent vs temporary.  Sellers shouldn't need to be adding their own banners to protect themselves. (Plus no guarantees) a buyer will even see.


What I recommend, is them updating shipping options for us to select appropriately so we can pick "duties paid" and that stupid banner will go away.

 

I'm sending offers to people and letting them know we ship to USA duties paid. I sent like 20 offers tonight, did get one bite (second sale in 5 days) and it's going to the UK.

 

C.

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

@33nhl wrote:
Canada post can solve $$$ losses.
I know many wont like it.
Canada post can stop giving discounts to corporations for shipping Ebay Amazon.
It can also stop accepting packages from secondary shippers like Chichats Stallion and others.

Thus all mail parcels would have to be purchased from Canada Post site or from post office and not through Ebay or others.

May sound extreme and i know many wont like it and possibly have increases to pay in shippping lables, otherwise Canada Post is not going to survive unless mail service goes 3 times a week and maybe half the force chopped including post office locations or keep locations but get ried of private post offices like in Shoppers Rexall and few others.

I'm located in Calgary in a residential area. My closest depot is an SD location approx. 20 mins away. Next is in a mall in another SD location. There was a private CP outlet in same mall but that closed several years ago.  Next nearest is in another SD 2 buses away. UPS is similar. 2 buses. Closing locations willy nilly would be extremely frustrating for many small sellers. As for regular CP full service outlets, at least in Calgary they have become more of the exception vs the rule. As closing CP outlets in rural areas I don't even want to go there.


One of my friends lives in St Catharines and he walks round trip 50 minutes to the post office to mail the odd thing that has to be shipped. He says it's not a pleasant walk on a hot day, and he doesn't have a car to make it any easier.

 

C.

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"9. Introduce packing services (for a fee). This isn't aimed at businesses, but at individuals. I think some places already do this with returns?"

 

Gosh bless my Shopper postal managers and clerks, they pretty well do this day in and out.  Now, they sell very high priced packing materials off the shelf to folks that come in with random whatever but they will also use an extra box and packing they have in the back.   So yes, make it a paid service and people will use it.  

 

When the post office is not busy the shopper's staff ends up on the floor doing merchandising and they would be much happier doing post office duties.

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@byto253 wrote:

 

 

When the post office is not busy the shopper's staff ends up on the floor doing merchandising and they would be much happier doing post office duties.


When I worked for 7-Eleven I did post office duties (this was 20 year ago mind you). I much preferred the clean post office and packages and helping customers there than cleaning and stocking shelves and checking IDs for smokes and serving food.

 

C.

 

 

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The year is 2038...

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I think they have to let go of 20% of the staff.

How about getting rid of excess managers?

 

almost 65 cents went to employee compensation and benefits, with daily labour costs alone exceeding $10 million in that year. 

Which includes compensation to managers. 

And money spent on labour goes back into the community in the form of taxes, groceries, car payments, mortgage payments, and maybe money to spend on eBay.

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I would be absolutely thrilled with joy and amazement if every crown corporation did as much for Canadians as Canada Post does, and operated at a loss of only 1 Billion per year.  

 

Canada Post loses money because they have to serve every household in Canada, no matter how far away. If someone lives  at the northern tip of Vancouver Island, Canada Post is required to treat them much in the same way as they do a condo owner who lives in downtown toronto, even though the condo owner is much easier for Canada Post to serve.

 

If we allowed Canada Post to adjust their rates based upon delivery distant the way UPS and Fedex commonly do, then our postal service would be making Billions a year in profits, not losing money. Canada Post has to apply for price increases and they can only increase those prices by a moderate amount within a ridgid framework.

 

Many decades ago, it was Canada Post that allowed our remote communities and territorial sovereignty to be expanded and/or maintained. If Canada Post is dissolved, we will lose far away communities throughout Canada and run the risk of losing territory as a country. If no one lives in these remote places because they can't get deliveries or mail or communication, they will move and those remote places will be abandoned. Then, others - as in foreign countries - could possibly take over and claim our abandoned lands for themselves. If that were to happen, $1 Billion per year in losses will seem like pennies.

 

Anyways, I love Canada Post. Without them, I would have never been able to start my business. When I first thought about selling on Ebay, it was Canada Post that offered me the opportunity to send packages to every part of our country for less than $5. UPS and Fedex wanted 8 to 10 times more money for a relatively similar service. Without Canada Post, we will see thousands of small business close and thousands of small businesses that never start up in the first place, and those economic losses will far surpass any current loses that Canada Post is producing.

 

Notice all the sellers on Ebay that have shut their stores down due to the Canada Post strike. That is 100% proof that Canada Post is worth a ton of money to the Canadian economy.  The government is so short-sighted to not reach a deal with Posties. Ironically, Posties are just asking for wage increases that keep pace with inflation. Inflation is 5% per year, the government reports it as 2% per year, and then each year Posties slip further and futher away from maintaining an affordable lifestyle. Most posties can't even buy a home nowadays because their incomes have rarely ever kept up with the real rate of inflation. Then, when they go on strike, people think they are selfish. It's really unfair to the Posties.

 

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Interesting article from the Globe&Mail about CP's current conundrum:

 

The Liberals push the envelope, finally, at Canada Post - The Globe and Mail

 

The part that I found quite worrisome is this:

 

"Canada Post has until the second week of November to present its strategic plan to the government."

 

Wait, what? So, am I reading this right? It will be more than 6 weeks before CP presents a new offer to CUPW? Or maybe I am mixing things up?

 

Because if that's the case, this would drag the strike well into the beginning of the end of the year selling season. 

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@john_koenig99 wrote:

Interesting article from the Globe&Mail about CP's current conundrum:

 

The Liberals push the envelope, finally, at Canada Post - The Globe and Mail

 

The part that I found quite worrisome is this:

 

"Canada Post has until the second week of November to present its strategic plan to the government."

 

Wait, what? So, am I reading this right? It will be more than 6 weeks before CP presents a new offer to CUPW? Or maybe I am mixing things up?

 

Because if that's the case, this would drag the strike well into the beginning of the end of the year selling season. 


Maybe until November for the offer (because a good offer takes time), but perhaps they will be legislated back to work long before then.

 

It's October 1st today, one can only hope. We don't need another Christmas season like last year. By the time they sent them back to work, it was too late to sell Christmas presents, everyone had already done their shopping somewhere else.

 

C.

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They need to get a new union, and be legally banned from going on strike more than once in a two-year period. Constantly holding our mail hostage like this, and also screwing us sellers here, is extremely unfair and immoral.
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@inu-liger wrote:
They need to get a new union, and be legally banned from going on strike more than once in a two-year period. Constantly holding our mail hostage like this, and also screwing us sellers here, is extremely unfair and immoral.

I think they should be made an essential service.

 

During the last strike there was a family on the news that lived in Nunavut that relied on Canada Post to deliver their daughter's medication. It was a big crisis for them to not be able to get the mail.

 

C.

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The part that I found quite worrisome is this:

 

"Canada Post has until the second week of November to present its strategic plan to the government."

 

"Wait, what? So, am I reading this right? It will be more than 6 weeks before CP presents a new offer to CUPW? Or maybe I am mixing things up?

 

Because if that's the case, this would drag the strike well into the beginning of the end of the year selling season". 

 

This is only for Canada Post's proposal to the government. This has nothing to do with offers made to the union or the postal strike in general.

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