11-03-2025 02:23 AM
Ebay is crushing its sellers from multiple angles.
First they want to try and push us into using the EIS which will objectively double or triple BOTH shipping prices and shipping times and if we refuse to sign onto this new shipping program they post a big blue banner on our listings scaring away customers with false information insisting USA buyers HAVE TO pay tariffs which isnt the case at all on CUSMA items and in general it is policy for many shippers to pre-pay tariffs on non-CUSMA stuff unless they use UPS or Fedex but if you want to be competitive you likely arent using UPS or fedex.
So from what I gather about that the only shipping methods that exist in the universe in ebays eyes are EIS, UPS and Fedex. --- Chitchats, Stallion Express, Swiftpost, and Canada Post with Zonos etc. all dont exist at all in the eyes of ebay.
To add insult to injury starting in January apparently if you use promoted listings if someone views your promoted listing ad and you sell it to someone completely different who may have found it organically youre on the hook for the promoted listing ad regardless! I knew something was up when they forced the minimum ad% from 1% to 2%. At minimum they are essentially increasing their fees by 2% but then you always get red box warnings about listing with a 9-15% ad rate on top of the standard 11-15% base selling fee rate so really ebay wants practically 1/3 of a cut from your sale if they have it their way and at the very bare minimum they want at LEAST 15% but preferably in th 20-30% range. They also encourage you to offer free shipping (eat the cost) and then you have to figure in the cost to produce or source the item you are selling. Just how much of a bottom line are sellers supposed to settle for?
I have a theory that to make up for less sales by quantity perhaps ebay wants to make it up in raising fees from sellers primarily but also from buyers who choose to buy using EIS.
These new changes are making it harder and harder to make ebay any sort of full time or serious income and I fear it might slip into just a few big fish and then a bunch of smaller hobby sellers. Perhaps this will become a new trend in ecommerce.
I am not liking the direction ebay is going right now. It is bad enough for Canadian small businesses to have to deal with trumps constant rhetoric on canada and bad policies for small businesses globally and the constant Canada Post strikes. Right now what we need is a platform to do everything in their power to keep sellers above water and its feeling pretty rough right now on ebay.
I opted out of EIS.
I will stop using promoted listings entirely.
If these programs were bringing in big views and sales to justify the big price tags I wouldn't be upset about it but my views/ impressions/ sales for Aug-Oct. 2025 vs same period 2024 are all roughly HALF and thats with me running more sale events than I did last year, listing way more prodcuts etc. So literally double the work for half of the return.
I am going to be testing Etsy out and seeing if I can start gaining some traction there so that if ebay continues sinking and turning into an expensive hobby seller platform I will at least have somewhere else to stand if it gets too bad here.
Would love to hear your thoughts and what you guys are doing in light of all of these disastorous new trade and ebay policies that keep on being hurled at us Canadian e commerce sellers.
11-06-2025 09:11 AM
@fallsavenue wrote:My beloved UPS is out of the question now
This made me chuckle. Beloved? UPS? I can't even phatom combining these two words into a sentence...Lol.
But to each their own. I've never had a truly positive experience with them. I'm glad you had.
11-06-2025 11:41 AM
and for anyone who even "thinks" that there will be a reprieve from these Tariffs, think again... tariffs on goods exported to the USA are not going away and regardless of any decision by USA Supreme Court, as long as DT is the authoritarian dictator of the USA, there will continue to be Tariffs of all sorts on anything & everything...so get used to it!...
"You’ll get used to it,You’ll get used to it. The first year is the worst year, Then you’ll get used to it.."
11-06-2025 12:14 PM - edited 11-06-2025 12:16 PM
@fallsavenue wrote:I opted out of eIS because it's too expensive and I didn't want that shipping cost showing in the shipping highlights. Figured no one would ever check my listing to see my own delivery option with that there.
I could be wrong, but I think there’s a recent post somewhere from an eBay staffer stating that that’s been fixed now and that the lower-priced shipping option should come up in search results.
I’ve read some posts in the past from buyers who actually prefer eIS and the UK GSP as they bypass their countries’ problematic customs systems. Food for thought.
11-06-2025 12:38 PM
Wow, really? I've been using them since 2018 on NetParcel. I'd have never been able to ship my bigger/heavier boxes to the US with CP's Expedited rates. Just great prices and speedy delivery. When Purolator partnered with them a couple years ago for US deliveries, the rates got even better.
Must've sent 4K parcels there with them so yes, beloved would be the word.
11-06-2025 12:46 PM
I'd keep it for overseas if I could but didn't see a way to exclude the US. Can you exclude one country? I generally don't ship overseas due to shipping costs so thought the eIS would at least be helpful there.
I'll never opt back in for the US though, it's ridiculous. A magazine that would've cost me $12 to ship was over $27. Sure, one buyer coughed up for the eIS but how many other potential buyers said no freakin' way?
11-06-2025 01:01 PM
You can exclude any country.
Click on-> Add International Destinations
Click on-> Preferences
Click on-> Exclude Destinations
Click on -> USA or whatever
This works if you are listing on dotCA.
If you list on dotCOM, you must ship to the USA (but you can set your own exhorbinate price) .
In the same way, if you list on dot CA you must ship to Canada.
11-06-2025 01:16 PM
What you can do as well is to put in an option to ship to the US with Canada Post, and if it is lower than EIS that is the result that shows up in searches and in your listing. You would do all the import clearances and related tariffs and fees through the Zonos app. In the case of your printed material, it is a $0 tariff item. For other items not produced in the US, you would need to add enough to shipping to cover the tariff you need to pay up front to use Canada Post.
@marnotom! is correct, I had a thread about the problem with search results defaulting to the EIS shipping amounts instead of cheaper Canada Post and eBay did fix it and posted in the thread that it has been fixed.
So you can have Canada Post showing for US and EIS for the rest of the world.
The thread referred to is here:
11-06-2025 01:31 PM - edited 11-06-2025 01:31 PM
Just to add to @byto253's excellent post, keep in mind that what’s likely putting the kibosh on your eBay sales to the US is the Blue Banner of Death erroneously warning US buyers of having to pay gawsh-nose-what in tariffs and fees upon receipt of their items. Having eIS available to US users may put them more at ease, even if it’s a pricier option. Let your buyers decide what’s best for them, even if they’re working with flawed information.
11-06-2025 02:17 PM
how many other potential buyers said no freakin' way
Pick Me, Monte!
11-06-2025 03:01 PM
12 People died November 4th after cargo plane crashes while UPS is trying to do it's job. A job taxed to the limit as a result of overnight radical change in 4th quarter package delivery.
I've had lots of delivery success due to UPS. It takes a variety of services to accomodate all sellers. Until the Trump era UPS has been the go-to for those of us who needed to ship larger, heavier and often expensive items like vintage xylophones, timbale outfits, conga drum sets and drum sets etc.
As a UPS account holder (non eBay) I always received fast efficient and friendly customer service from them. Sending shipments with multiple packages requiring specific insurance and delivery instructions was never a problem.
I'm not defending the way UPS has handled the Trump regime's abruptness. UPS is not a sutable substitute for Canada Post and never has been. It's a necessary alternative at best. At least they have tried to accomodate the movement of cross border packages.
eBay has not done the same. I don't see EIS as being "rolled out". October 31 came and went with no update. eBay may be intentionally "dragging their feet" with EIS. They may not want to finalize it until the US Supreme Court decides if Trump's tariffs can hold up and it's not looking good for Trump today.
eBay is one of the only online platforms without a line item at checkout for tariffs. I believe Shopify was first up. Before this debockle began UPS provided a great and affordable service to those of us selling "bigger than a breadbox" items.
Tracked Packet USA is not what UPS does best and it never was. that is why we need CP and USPS. I suspect the ill reports are a small percentage of the millions and millions of packages UPS has delivered in the chaos they did not create. Whether the plane crash had to do with workload, mechanical failure, the US government shut down or something else 12 people have died in the process of package delivery.
We might possibly cut some slack for the couriers that are desperately trying to adapt to Trump's tariff whiplash.
11-06-2025 05:52 PM
@intimewithmusic wrote:
I don't see EIS as being "rolled out". October 31 came and went with no update. eBay may be intentionally "dragging their feet" with EIS.
But they have. It's up and running, flaws and everything. For sure, buyers in the US (and overseas) may not be liking the steep shipping (and tariffs) prices, but that's the way it is.
11-06-2025 05:59 PM - edited 11-06-2025 05:59 PM
To be sure the blue banner is a crippling factor, that is why I never activated my own direct shipping to the US, as well as the fact that the risks involved through CBS services were too high and eBay shut down CP labels stateside. What I think is import to remember is the days of selling items that aren't unique or rare are over to the US. We can't compete anymore without de minimis. But I am seeing an uptick in Canadian sales since eIS went live for me around the 15th. I think it's due to the fact that many others have stated that CA buyers go to .com to find stuff, and now at least some of my inventory is visible there again thanks to eIS.
11-06-2025 06:32 PM
@fallsavenue wrote:Wow, really? I've been using them since 2018 on NetParcel. I'd have never been able to ship my bigger/heavier boxes to the US with CP's Expedited rates. Just great prices and speedy delivery. When Purolator partnered with them a couple years ago for US deliveries, the rates got even better.
Must've sent 4K parcels there with them so yes, beloved would be the word.
Before all this nonsense started, I used UPS quite a bit to ship heavier items like books to the USA. I never had any issues or upcharges. I definitely wouldn't do so right now though.
11-06-2025 07:52 PM - edited 11-06-2025 08:00 PM
I agree with everything you said. I understand a few select sellers are enrolled. No one except eBay actually knows how many sellers there are on eBay Canada. Back in 2016 numbers were thrown around here ranging from 100K to 773K based on percentages of the total sellers.
eBay announced the new EIS program on Sept 1. "Over the next several weeks, eligible sellers will continue to be enrolled automatically." I'm elligible and I personally mistook that to mean I'd be enrolled "over the next several weeks". As of today my store is on time away.
An update was provided on October 8 "We’re excited to announce that eBay International Shipping has started to ramp eligible Canadian sellers. "
As of Nov 6 mid 4th quarter there is no word from eBay. It's natural that sellers post wanting to know when they will be involved. It's not until indiviuals are enrolled they can find out if the EIS (with it's transparent listing tariff line) will work for them. Some rely on the US buyers for 90% of sales. Will they find out in November?... December?... or, as someone else suggested January? They are waiting for a lifeline.
eBay knows what they are doing. I wonder if they are moving EIS forward with caution to get it right at the expense of 4th quarter or else are they possibly stalling due to the current court hearings that may bring about change to tariffs?
The suspense is killing me and my sales. I feel for those of you that rely on eBay. I'm lucky to be a hobby seller these days.
11-06-2025 08:02 PM - edited 11-06-2025 08:03 PM
I pray every day for a $150 De Minimis Threshold. ;>}
11-06-2025 09:45 PM
@intimewithmusic wrote:I pray every day for a $150 De Minimis Threshold. ;>}
That would be good. The one thing I really want is for that banner to go away. I ship duties paid, it says so in my listing, it says so in the titles of some of my items. Since I don't ship UPS/FedEx with their DDU service, the only option is to ship duties paid. So the price is the price, no extra fees after check out. I take tariffs into account when doing my pricing.
C.
11-06-2025 10:05 PM - edited 11-06-2025 10:09 PM
@intimewithmusic wrote:I wonder if they are moving EIS forward with caution to get it right at the expense of 4th quarter or else are they possibly stalling due to the current court hearings that may bring about change to tariffs?
eIS on the .com site rolled out slowly, as well, though.
My guess as to why there’s been a gradual rollout is that as Sincro’s/EasyShip’s lease on the hub space just took effect in October, there needs to be some time to get the hub up and running properly. There are likely other reasons as well.
11-07-2025 01:12 AM
Thanks, looks like I can exclude the US but still offer US shipping in my listings. I've decided to enroll back in since people have said my lower rate is highlighted instead.
11-07-2025 01:47 AM
Tracked Packet USA is not what UPS does best and it never was.
UPS though Netparcel had amazing rates and was much better than CP tracked. Few people knew about the UPS under 2lb rate for only $12 (biggest boxes were 12x9x2, 9x6x3, or a 15x13 rigid mailer) and 2-5 day delivery. I used that most often. Gawd, I miss it.
And yes, a very tragic explosion likely from engine issues. I don't believe it's in any way related to the recent chaos though UPS has had a really rough go these last 2 months.
Etsy offers a US pricing tool (shows a different price to Americans) to increase prices to cover tariffs but it's not an added tariff line. So we pay even more in fees on those raised prices - no different from eBay.
I now use CP and Chits Chats - depends on what extra duties are owed. CN/HK made toys are duty free so 30% with either but clothing can be an extra 30%+ extra with carriers like CC and UPS.
Last week, I shipped drink glasses that were 66% with a carrier and a tin lunchbox was even higher so had to choose CP. Luckily, printed matter under HS section 49 is tariff free but still $2 extra for CBP fee. However, a magazine with CP is now $15 (up to 500gms) or $20 (1kg) which is much higher than it used to be with our eBay discounted rates. With CC, it's about $3-5 less but they only pick up here Tues/Fri.
That blue banner of death has gotta go. It's unfair to non-US sellers who are shipping DDP. eBay should want us to get more sales - it's their money too.
11-07-2025 02:15 AM - edited 11-07-2025 02:22 AM
@fallsavenue wrote:
Etsy offers a US pricing tool (shows a different price to Americans) to increase prices to cover tariffs but it's not an added tariff line. So we pay even more in fees on those raised prices - no different from eBay.
If you’re listing on .ca, eBay takes the lower of your domestic vs. international shipping rates for the calculation of your FVF for an international sale. I don’t know how Etsy handles that.
@fallsavenue wrote:
That blue banner of death has gotta go. It's unfair to non-US sellers who are shipping DDP. eBay should want us to get more sales - it's their money too.
Technically speaking, all shipments to the US have to be sent DDP right now. This is why the banner is such an annoyance. Even the DDU options from carriers such as UPS and FedEx actually have tariffs and duties advanced by the carrier, and woe betide any seller who has a buyer who refuses to reimburse the carrier.