Sending to USA with UPS United States

chicweb
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I'm doing it, guys. Taking the risk for the good of humanity (ok, maybe I'm over-exagerating, but hey.... I'll give it a shot).

 

I will let you know how it goes.

 

First it's a Magazine made in USA.

- 4902.90 = In USMCA. Should not be tariffed.

- Made in USA = Clearly stated in Magazine and in COO.

- Used UPS United States. Sent EDI by eBay Labels (No need of any paperworks attached)

- Valued at less than 2500$ US. (See below)

- I have contacted the buyer telling them there might have fees collected at the reception. (brokeage /tariff fees?). They accepted and understood.

I will update this thread to tell you how it goes. Will go bring it to the UPS store tomorrow to make sure it is going to pass the border after the 29 of August. It's a test, and I don't care paying any fees if there's a problem. I want to see how it goes.

As per the 2500$ USD, here is the explanation

 

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/USMCA/FAQs


Are there exceptions to USMCA’s certification of origin requirement?
A certification of origin is not required for: (1) a non-commercial importation of a good, or (2) a commercial importation for which the value of the originating goods does not exceed US $2,500, provided the importation does not form part of a series of importations that may be considered to have been undertaken or arranged for purposes of evading United States laws, regulations, or procedures governing claims for preferential treatment. Note that even if the value of non-originating goods is less than US $2,500, a written statement certifying that the goods originate may still be required. Further, if CBP determines that an importation is part of a series of importations carried out or planned for purposes of evading compliance with preference requirements, the importer may be required to submit a certification of origin.

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@mrdutch1001 wrote:

Certificate of origin is required for ALL items, new, used,handmade, altered,etc,etc....


Okay, so where do I get this certificate please?

 

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FYI Two of my UPS shipments dropped off at UPS Depot on the 27th have been charged brokerage fees to the buyers.

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@vintageandglamor wrote:

FYI Two of my UPS shipments dropped off at UPS Depot on the 27th have been charged brokerage fees to the buyers.


Can you please provide some further details?

 

How much was it declared at, COO and what was the buyer charged (if you know those details)?

 

C.

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Made in Canada vintage polo t-shirt that sold for $11 USD.  It took me almost 30 minutes of searching to find the manufacturer's address since they went out of business 30 years ago.  Here are the charges breakdown:

 

Chit Chats U.S. Edge$9.91
5-11 estimated business daysFull tracking included

 

Tariff Fee$4.12
 Merchandise Processing Fee$1.86
 Shipment Items Fee$0.21
Total$16.10

 

So anyway, I am shutting it all back down again.  The juice isn't worth the squeeze.  I am not scouring the internet for all this long form information ... I am working for free at this point.  

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@vintagenorth wrote:

@artofadornment 

 

Even though I probably don't require one for my items, where does one find a Certificate of Origin? Is it only for brand new items that you have purchased new from the manufacturer? Thanks.

 


@artofadornment 

 

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/forms-formulaires/b239-eng.html

 

You can also locate at any couriers website doing a forms search. Unfortunately CP does built it in as add on. (From personal experience it's best used by a manufacturer vs a reshipper. You can request from a supplier.....If they are still around.)

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Yes, I suspect there will be additional/similar stories over the next days,weeks...

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@vintagenorth  Don' t know if you can right-click to download this, but here goes. There is no standard form, but this is the one that I use because it has all the 9 required elements, plus some more.

 

The Cert only applies if the item was made in Canada, the USA or Mexico (can consist of materials made outside those regions, but there are special rules for that). Check out this incredibly good resource that answers most questions: https://commongoods.ca/pages/how-to-avoid-tariffs-from-canada-to-the-u-s-guide-to-cusma-usmca-agreem... 

I've learned this stuff along the way over the last 20 years, there's no way I could cover everything you need to know easily here. But do some research, there ARE more sites out there that walk you through it, if the one linked above doesn't cover what you need. 

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@wilsonharborsales wrote:

Made in Canada vintage polo t-shirt that sold for $11 USD.  It took me almost 30 minutes of searching to find the manufacturer's address since they went out of business 30 years ago.  Here are the charges breakdown:

 

Chit Chats U.S. Edge$9.91
5-11 estimated business daysFull tracking included

 

Tariff Fee$4.12
 Merchandise Processing Fee$1.86
 Shipment Items Fee$0.21
Total$16.10

 

So anyway, I am shutting it all back down again.  The juice isn't worth the squeeze.  I am not scouring the internet for all this long form information ... I am working for free at this point.  


According to Stallion, if the manufacturer is defunct (and you're selling vintage items), you can't use their DDP service. I wonder how many people will get caught up with that.

 

I have a few defunct manufacturers in my Stallion profile (some are recently defunct so I was able to find the address without much ado). I recently googled "where were Scotland Masonic tokens minted" to figure out which mint was responsible for these, I have quite a few in my store.

 

I think there's going to be some guesswork. Anyway US store is back online, let's see if there's any US sales to go with it. I have items located in Canada so buyers know it's international now, that will probably scare off quite a few buyers.

 

C.

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They were approximately $150 CDN per parcel, Poland or UK COO. I dont think the buyers are aware yet so I do not know how much UPS is charging them.

Both scanned 2 days before August 29th at UPS, so I wasn't expecting duties yet.

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We only get a duty exemption under USMCA if the item is made in Canada. Otherwise, duty is based on the country of origin (where it's made, not where it ships from). So if made in UK, it's tariffed under the UK trade agreement at whatever that percent may be. If shipped from the UK but was made in Canada, it falls under USMCA and would be duty-free. The $800 de minimis exemption was removed worldwide, so literally everyone is feeling this pinch. 

 

Also, the new duty rules didn't apply to when the parcel was shipped out, it applied to when it's delivered. So anything arriving at the border on or after the 29th (or was it the 30th?) would have duty in effect.  😕

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There are now stories being related in the forums on my other selling site(Etsy) of Canadian sellers shipping "supposedly CUSMA compliant" items to the USA via UPS, that are are being assessed Tariffs>customers refusing pkgs and/or pkgs being returned...

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Had you given those two buyers the heads up about these potential charges?

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If we are willing to wait just 60 days or less, the tariffs will be removed.

 

He doesn't have the authority to declare an endless national emergency and therefore he doesn't have the authority to impose tariffs on everything that comes into the country at whichever rate he feels like applying.

 

If the courts granted any President such authority, then think of all the havoc that would be created when every new administration was allowed to apply whatever tariff penalties they felt like enacting. It would be a new economic disaster every 4 years.

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@movie_galaxy wrote:

If we are willing to wait just 60 days or less, the tariffs will be removed.

 

He doesn't have the authority to declare an endless national emergency and therefore he doesn't have the authority to impose tariffs on everything that comes into the country at whichever rate he feels like applying.

 

If the courts granted any President such authority, then think of all the havoc that would be created when every new administration was allowed to apply whatever tariff penalties they felt like enacting. It would be a new economic disaster every 4 years.


He'll just apply most of them under some other justification which will get tied up in court for another year or two, and it probably won't change the agreements he's already made with various countries. He could also apply a high package processing fee for everything coming into the USA that makes it impossible for anything low value to be sent. He could strongarm congress to put his tariffs into law. I don't know if he'd succeed with that or not, but he's managed to on other things so far.

 

The bottom line is that hanging hopes on them going away seems unwise.

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Do you affix that to the outside of the package?

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@movie_galaxy : Yes, the USMCA/CUSMA certificate of origin form needs to be printed out and placed in a resealable pouch (or packing list pouch) on the outside of the parcel so Customs can open it. For items worth under $2500 it's not necessary, but to be on the safe side, for the time being I'm putting it on there anyway. I think this is slowing my Purolator parcels down, but since the 29th, I've done 6 that have already arrived, and so far no indication of any being tariffed or refused. I have about 8 more now in transit, so fingers crossed...

 

@mrdutch1001 : this is worrisome.... people need to make sure that if their product is made in Canada (or USA, if shipping the other way) they have the USMCA/CUSMA certificate of origin form attached to the outside of the parcel. But those Etsy sellers may not realize that UPS is now charging a $10 fee on "Standard" service to the USA from Canada (the cheapest one, see below) - maybe this is what they're getting charged? So far I've had 2 arrive by UPS "Expedited" into the USA unscathed, label bought via NetParcel mind you, and had the form on the outside. I did however select to be billed (DDP), just in case of duties being charged in error. I'm not risking anything coming back by sending out DAP (recipient pays upon delivery) until Americans are used to having to think about what duty is and whose new rules are making them pay it.  One thing I know of for sure, postal services must have duty prepaid or parcels will be refused at the border.
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@flipistics : yeah I think there are changes yet to come, though they might be to remove some tariffs and then just apply some somewhere else - so far Trump has been quite consistent about being inconsistent. 😛
 
I get why they are doing this though, because let's face it, countries regenotiate trade deals all the time as economies change. We've been lucky to have an unaltered deal for so many years, so I think the problem is that we've had exemptions on SOOO many things for so long, not just the $800 exemption but tons of domestic-made stuff exempt under USMCA/CUSMA, that buyers on both sides are used to not having to even think about paying duty on most things. Now that they suddenly have to pay attention, perhaps people are beginning to realize maybe that 'hey, this sucks! I guess we've had it pretty good after all... because it's not like South Africa or India or Australia or whomever esle around the world had a sweet sweet trade deal like CUSMA...'  Or maybe that's just me.  I've always hated filling out customs forms, so I was already kinda cranky. 😕
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I am saving myself all the headaches, frustrations, crankiness by NOT shipping anything to the USA...thankfully I am not one that depends on my online selling for income, so I can sit back and say EFF Trump's Tariffs and get on with life without any regrets,or second-guessing self or thoughts of changing mind...I am done with shipping to the USA. I'll simply donate more of my materials/items locally and gradually decrease my presence on eBay. My other selling site(Etsy>where I mainly selling handknit items), will be OK for selling just within Canada...

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Yep, I don't blame you at all. It's a huge pain to have to be constantly worrying about, and it can totally seem way too much time and expense as well. I'm determined to stick out, at least for a while, since yes, my business is my income, but also because I'm pretty sure that a lot of my competition will be too overwhelmed to want to bother navigating this, which may make it worthwhile for me to hold out for. 20 years of this, I'd hate to have to pack it in now.... but not gonna lie, it's definitely crossed my mind.

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chicweb
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The order shows as "Delivered" today. No news from the customer about fees charged from UPS at the door.

If there was, they seem to have accepted it. I messaged the buyer to get more information and I will let you all know if I receive an answer.

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