Sending to USA with UPS United States

chicweb
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I'm doing it, guys. Taking the risk for the good of humanity (ok, maybe I'm over-exagerating, but hey.... I'll give it a shot).

 

I will let you know how it goes.

 

First it's a Magazine made in USA.

- 4902.90 = In USMCA. Should not be tariffed.

- Made in USA = Clearly stated in Magazine and in COO.

- Used UPS United States. Sent EDI by eBay Labels (No need of any paperworks attached)

- Valued at less than 2500$ US. (See below)

- I have contacted the buyer telling them there might have fees collected at the reception. (brokeage /tariff fees?). They accepted and understood.

I will update this thread to tell you how it goes. Will go bring it to the UPS store tomorrow to make sure it is going to pass the border after the 29 of August. It's a test, and I don't care paying any fees if there's a problem. I want to see how it goes.

As per the 2500$ USD, here is the explanation

 

https://www.cbp.gov/trade/priority-issues/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/USMCA/FAQs


Are there exceptions to USMCA’s certification of origin requirement?
A certification of origin is not required for: (1) a non-commercial importation of a good, or (2) a commercial importation for which the value of the originating goods does not exceed US $2,500, provided the importation does not form part of a series of importations that may be considered to have been undertaken or arranged for purposes of evading United States laws, regulations, or procedures governing claims for preferential treatment. Note that even if the value of non-originating goods is less than US $2,500, a written statement certifying that the goods originate may still be required. Further, if CBP determines that an importation is part of a series of importations carried out or planned for purposes of evading compliance with preference requirements, the importer may be required to submit a certification of origin.

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I agree entirely. I would be upset too.

 

I might try using Chit Chat Select (DDP) to the United States. I have to ship in my items, but the amount would be about the same as charged by UPS excluding the brokerage fees... Well... with my latest test for the customer's address and same item.

 

I don't want my customers to have this kind of surprises.

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Ouch!!! On no, so sorry this happened!  😞   I'm wondering about that fee... was the parcel sent via UPS "Standard"? There's that flat $10 broker fee UPS announced on parcels valued under $200, but only when Standard service is used. I'm guessing that since you bought the label via Ebay (and clearly Ebay does not include that fee in the label price!), UPS was unable to charge you directly for it, and so charged your buyer instead. How aggravating!! Well I'm wondering now if the same is going to happen with me via NetParcel, I guess I'll be finding out very soon.

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@chicweb wrote:


So, it seem UPS will not be a good option at all for us. We don't want our customers to receive fees days later by mail. 


And yet many non-Canadian sellers and even eBay itself don’t seem to have these qualms when shipping to Canada.

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Yeah, I think this is going to catch a lot of Canadian sellers and US buyers off guard. 

 

I know in my own experience as a buyer from US to Canada, that sometimes Fedex bills import fees after the fact by sending you an invoice in the mail.

 

It's very fun with large purchases that I know are coming with Fedex, because I get the one month period where I get to convince myself that I somehow won the lottery by not having to pay brokerage fees. Then I get the dreaded invoice letter in the mail. 

 

I assume other couriers like UPS do this as well. I don't know what distinction there is that causes it to be billed before delivery, or weeks later.

 

Give it a few weeks and I think we will see a few threads "buyer angry over massive import fee".  My only question would be whether these can get billed back to the seller the same way the fees from a refused delivery can since they are the same fees just billed at a later date. 

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Is this the only brokerage fee UPS charges for these items? A 10$ flat fee? On top of the tariffs? Or are they still charging the insane 45$ usd brokerage fees like they were in July.
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@vintage_america wrote:
Is this the only brokerage fee UPS charges for these items? A 10$ flat fee? On top of the tariffs? Or are they still charging the insane 45$ usd brokerage fees like they were in July.

Their higher tiers apparently have brokerage charges included in the price. I'm not sure about the new extra $10 fee.

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My experience so far: My sales are to the US at like 99.99%. So I will loose majorly with the tariffs. So far shipped six parcels. Had to use UPS because cheaper than FedEx and don't want to use Canada Post bevause they charge duties to the seller and removed themselves from ebay.ca. Had to update shipping on all my items because UPS is double from Canada Post. Three packages delivered, no issues. Two packages on their way. The sixth one was in UPS warehouse for 10 days "pending government agency release". Now is being returned to me "because there's no country of origin form". Which, obviously, is not required through ebay. No recourse, can't use the same label. etc. So so far I am out $18. Will try to resend with the country of origin form that the UPS rep emailed me. Very unfortunate and probably not many sales will happen in the future unless the tariffs are rolled back.

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@kozlodui thanks for the update, very sorry to hear you got nailed. 😞 

I think it's clear now that if our items are made in a CUSMA zone, even though we technically don't need a Cert of Org form on the parcel of the value is under $2500, we should put one on anyway. At least, until the couriers etc get used to processing so many parcels being heavily scrutinized due to tariffs, that is.  I have been including one this whole time, and out of 9 shiments already arrived I have not had any issues or extra fees *so far*.  I've already been invoiced for 7 of them, 2 more should be invoiced by tomorrow (2 via UPS, the rest Purolator), and 8 more in transit. Fingers crossed...

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When you printed the label did you fill in the HS Code and the country of origin?

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Did the customer demand that you reimburse them?

Did they leave you a bad review?

Any negative consequences from the $10 tariff fee?

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I had an item to ship when Canada Post called the strike. Customer said they were fine with me substituting Canada Post with UPS. I explained that they should only accept if they are okay with a possible high brokerage charge, that I had no way to know what it owuld be, they agreed.

 

I printed the UPS label with eBay labels. DVD (informational materials), proper HTS code, COI Germany. $59.99 CAD item ($80 CAD shipped).

 

It hasn't been dropped off with UPS yet. They messaged me to let me know they pre-paid the fees. UPS sent them a payment request. It was $24 USD in brokerage and $2.62 USD in government fees.

 

Customer was not upset because I got them ready for the idea that fees could be high.

 

My question, what's up with this? How is there a $24 brokerage fee to collect $2.62? Is there a way to ship through UPS that won't result in this kind of charge for informational materials like DVDs and CDs?

 

I tested it on Chit Chats to see what they might charge because they are also a courier, they estimated it at $0 in duties with only their typical brokerage fee.

 

UPS doesn't even have the package, so they assessed this purely on the electronic data sent to them when the label was created. Is there anything I can do to prevent this kind of brokerage charge? 

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@ilikehockeyjerseys wrote:

I had an item to ship when Canada Post called the strike. Customer said they were fine with me substituting Canada Post with UPS. I explained that they should only accept if they are okay with a possible high brokerage charge, that I had no way to know what it owuld be, they agreed.

 

I printed the UPS label with eBay labels. DVD (informational materials), proper HTS code, COI Germany. $59.99 CAD item ($80 CAD shipped).

 

It hasn't been dropped off with UPS yet. They messaged me to let me know they pre-paid the fees. UPS sent them a payment request. It was $24 USD in brokerage and $2.62 USD in government fees.

 

Customer was not upset because I got them ready for the idea that fees could be high.

 

My question, what's up with this? How is there a $24 brokerage fee to collect $2.62? Is there a way to ship through UPS that won't result in this kind of charge for informational materials like DVDs and CDs?

 

I tested it on Chit Chats to see what they might charge because they are also a courier, they estimated it at $0 in duties with only their typical brokerage fee.

 

UPS doesn't even have the package, so they assessed this purely on the electronic data sent to them when the label was created. Is there anything I can do to prevent this kind of brokerage charge? 


Higher UPS tiers supposedly include the brokerage fees in the cost. I don't know if that includes some of the newly announced fees or not as I'm not shipping to the USA right now. You can't access them on eBay, but you can on Click Ship.

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