Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post

[musicyouneed]

Take out your crystal ball regarding Canada Post.  What do you think is going to happen?  Are the postal workers going to be on strike till Christmas?  Canada Post has 45 days to produce a plan re the proposed changes, are the postal workers going to stay out till then or longer?  

I am hoping that by mid month Oct the government orders them back to work with arbitration.  I am hoping that the government says that Canada Post has to work within it's budget and that they are not going to be bailed out by the tax payer.  They need to cut about 20% of their workforce.  Canada post workers are not going to like that one bit.  It is going to get ugly. 

What does your crystal ball say?

[widgetc]

I think it will drag. I see no rush to legislate or order them back. The Air Canada workers defied an order and I think the Canada Post union will too. The government will worry that if they defy an order and the rest of the labour unions see it as an attack on labour it might spread to a more general action, or work disruptions would occur by deliberate slowndowns once back. Carney might prefer that they strike for a month or two and when union members hurt financially they will put pressure on their leaders or vote yes in new forced vote. Meanwhile the union wants time to get public support behind them from areas that will lose home delivery or local rural post offices.

I personally think home delivery has already been stopped at 75% of the country so it is inevitable everywhere and savings are said to be 400 million a year. Also 3 day a week delivery would be acceptable for letterr mail. I don’t see going to ground transport to save 20 million a year as the savings will be less because use will drop further and it is only about 50 cents per Canadian per year.

I also think that since other courier services cream off the easy and profitable areas in cities but do not service remote areas it would be only fair to hit them with a universal service tax of say 5% to subsidize universal delivery by Canada Post.

[marnotom!]

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@inu-liger wrote:

They need to get a new union, and be legally banned from going on strike more than once in a two-year period. Constantly holding our mail hostage like this, and also screwing us sellers here, is extremely unfair and immoral.

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Just a point of info: what the union is doing is continuing the job action it started last year.  It's not a new strike. A new strike would require a vote from union members.

[silverpinups]

"I think it will drag. I see no rush to legislate or order them back. The Air Canada workers defied an order and I think the Canada Post union will too. The government will worry that if they defy an order and the rest of the labour unions see it as an attack on labour it might spread to a more general action, or work disruptions would occur by deliberate slowndowns once back".

The economy is in the **bleep**ter and I don't think Carney will let this strike continue past a few weeks. He has no election to worry about and small businesses lost over a billion dollars the last time CUPW striked. Plus businesses need to deal with US tariffs which is already cutting into their profit margins. 

[femmefan1946]

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Commentary on union demands

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@sapphyres-designer-jewellery wrote:

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@inu-liger wrote:
They need to get a new union, and be legally banned from going on strike more than once in a two-year period. Constantly holding our mail hostage like this, and also screwing us sellers here, is extremely unfair and immoral.

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I think they should be made an essential service.

During the last strike there was a family on the news that lived in Nunavut that relied on Canada Post to deliver their daughter's medication. It was a big crisis for them to not be able to get the mail.

C.

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In total agreement. Reliable affordable letter and parcel service should be a right vs a priviledge. That's how it was once considered. If they wanted to cut some costs, can the over paid executives. Unfortunately those folks come with buy out clauses out the ying yang.

Canada Post is a federal Crown corporation that functions as both a business and an essential public service. While it operates with a business model to provide postal services and compete in the market, it is also legally mandated and widely considered to be an essential public service, especially for connecting rural, remote, and Indigenous communities across the country. 

Average Canada Post Manager yearly pay in Canada is approximately $102,633, which is 21% above the national average.

Top management at Canada Post, such as the President and CEO, makes approximately $500,000 per year or more, while executives earn considerably more, with an average executive compensation of around $238,026 annually according to Comparably. However, compensation can vary significantly, as the highest-paid executive makes around $700,000 annually and the lowest makes about $50,000. 

Yes, top management at Canada Post receive performance-based bonuses as part of their compensation packages. While Canada Post has not been transparent with the details, union reports and news articles from 2024 and 2025 indicate that executives and directors receive substantial bonuses tied to performance metrics, even during times of financial difficulty for the company, according to Canadian Union of Postal Workers (CUPW) reports https://www.cupw/en/canada-post-speaking-out-both-sides-its-mouth-0 and various news articles. 

Average salaries for everyone else

https://www.glassdoor.ca/Salary/Canada-Post-Salaries-E8747.htm

[femmefan1946]

Average Canada Post Manager yearly pay in Canada is approximately $102,633, which is 21% above the national average.

I can't believe I'm defending management but compare apples and apples.

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AI Overview

The average pay in Canada varies, but as of mid-2025, it's around $62,800 CAD annually for the overall average.However, figures from sources like ZipRecruiter place the average at approximately $45,453 annually.For a more specific idea of pay, consider the average hourly wage in the country, which is roughly $34.95 per hour."

Both apples and oranges are fruit, but they are very different fruits. 

The average pay and the average managerial pay are different fruits. 

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

Average Canada Post Manager yearly pay in Canada is approximately $102,633, which is 21% above the national average.

I can't believe I'm defending management but compare apples and apples.

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AI Overview

The average pay in Canada varies, but as of mid-2025, it's around $62,800 CAD annually for the overall average.However, figures from sources like ZipRecruiter place the average at approximately $45,453 annually.For a more specific idea of pay, consider the average hourly wage in the country, which is roughly $34.95 per hour."

Both apples and oranges are fruit, but they are very different fruits. 

The average pay and the average managerial pay are different fruits. 

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@femmefan1946 

Believe it said in one of the findings that accurate numbers are challenging to hone in on. As a side any bonuses can substantially increase those totals so that throws the base salary out the window when comparing. Then you can throw in the tax loopholes they magically qualify for. Something anyone on the bottom end of the ladder does not qualify for. I can't even remember if I ever qualified for a loophole during my working years.

[widgetc]

Actually it is difficult to say when Carney will have to worry about an election. His personal popularity is taking a bit of a hit and it is a minority government. His coming budget may well contain poison pills for the other parties. Also if his party polling slips in election voting intent an election could come sooner rather than later if other parties think they can make gains.

I think he might worry that if the union may refuse refuse to go back. In 1978 Parrot went to jail when CUPW refused to return to work and it damaged labour relations with the government and many other unions. Carney has cuts to government departments planned and he does not want labour up in arms before that even begins. I think Carney would rather let the strike drag until loss of pay hurts and divisions in the rank and file grow. Legislation right now would unite them.

Also I think this hurts small business much more than big business and I see him as big business orientated.

I could be wrong and I hope I am but that is my current thinking.

[easoss]

My cousin is a letter carrier. She told me walking the picket line pays $59 for the day. That's not nearly enough to pay bills, mortgages etc.  I wonder how long it'll take before the workers get fidgety about things. You know a union has an underlying problem when they won't allow the members a vote on the offer Canada Post made. And they will never recover the money they've already lost.

[marnotom!]

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@easoss wrote:

You know a union has an underlying problem when they won't allow the members a vote on the offer Canada Post made.

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I think that there’s consultation with representatives at the local level (i.e. union local presidents or bargaining reps) when the union examines an offer from the employer and decides if it’s worth voting on.

[movie_galaxy]

If Canada Post management offers the Posties pay increases that keep pace with real inflation - 5% - then this strike would end right away.

The police get pay increases that keep pace with real inflation, as do firefighters and university professors.

But for some reason, the posties get shafted by comparison and their contract offers make them poorer over time.

In my opinion, a Postie is just as valuable to the country and community as a police officer, fire fighter, university professor and similar.

When I owned a physical retail store many years ago, the Posties came everyday and helped deliver important mail I needed to run my business. 

If Canada Post is dissolved, mail and package delivery will get way more expensive. 

The solution is simple:

1) Hire an independent accounting firm to determine true rate of inflation

2) Offer the posties a pay increase that matches that true rate of inflation

3) Problem solved - posties would agree and return to work

[john_koenig99]

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@movie_galaxy wrote:

In my opinion, a Postie is just as valuable to the country and community as a police officer, fire fighter, university professor and similar.

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I'm not saying thet they don't provide a valuable service, but...your comparisson is out of whack, IMO. There are alternative service providers for the low skill job that posties do. For the other professions you mentioned? Not so much. Apples and Oranges. 

[darak10]

its all conjecture at this point, but right now with the 1 billion dollars lost last year during the strike, I think this is going to provide companies more incentive to get into the game to stand in the gap so to speak.  A tremendous amount of money is being left on the table here and these guys (employer and union) just cant get their **** together.  I see Chit Chats already has something on the table with this trexity service, and they apparently are already operating in the Edmonton area, a market they gave up on a couple years ago when they closed their two locations.  Its only going to snowball from here, more and more companies are going to hit the wall and say "**** these guys, I'm calling (insert name of replacement service)". 

And so the downfall and perhaps death of CPC has already begun.  The morons who call themselves leaders of that organization couldnt run a Wendy's drive thru to profitability, and the union dont see that they are now being openly undermined by the govt and thereby their very livelihoods are at stake.  With the most recent offer removing the guarantee of job security for life and outlining a clear plan for layoffs / attrition / buyouts in black and white, CUPW leadership appear stuck in the far end of the sunk cost fallacy and are so far down the path of doubling down to supposedly "protect" their members their response is harming everybody, including us.  Its just a colossally stupid game of chicken right now, and all of us here are being harmed significantly by it, but its one where the outcome is rigged now for the employer to win, the union dont have a leg to stand on.  Carney put the last nail in their coffin last week when he rubber stamped the leaderships end run around collective bargaining.  So in a very real sense, as yet fully unrealized at this moment, the writing is on the wall about the future of the corporation.  The union now have exactly zero bargaining position, and the strike response at this point is like a tantruming child holding their breath trying to get their parent to give in.  They have been backed into a corner from which there is no escape.  Their only choice is to do a Chief Joseph, say 'I will fight no more forever' in order to prevent further damage to their employees and retreat into as protective stance as possible in order to protect what they still have that can potentially be taken away.

Future academics will write about Carney's declaration last week as the death knell of CUPW.  What he did was a big deal.  Many people cant or wont see it due to their political beliefs but there is a war on unions right now and governments are taking side with industry to the everlasting detriment of worker rights.  Its highly likely we are heading back into a work environment akin to that of the early 20th century where workers have absolutely no rights and corporations have the right to dictate everything.  Ergo the three current union battles here in Alberta, teachers are striking Monday, university professors are ready to go, and a segment of health care workers (physiotherapists and others) look like they will be walking as well.  The AB govt's intentions regarding teachers are clear; they would rather pay parents of children under 12 $30 a day (approximately 480,000 children under 12 in the province, to the tune of around 14 million dollars A DAY)  than negotiate a fair deal with Alberta teachers.  That just says it all about their intentions, they are armouring up and waiting to win a siege war of attrition.  Smith is both profoundly dumb yet deviously intelligent so here we are, the economic engine of the country (sorry Ontario, Canada is a glorified petro state, an economic one trick pony) run by a bunch of backwards, out of touch and uneducated hillbillies who while profoundly convinced of their own 'rightness' are in fact so clueless they couldnt lead their way out of a wet paper bag if someone gave them a roadmap.   So hurray for us, the lesson for the rest of the country is simple:  dont come here unless you want to experience this nonsense, and dont do or allow what is going on here in your province.  As a former British Columbian who now regrets ever coming here, I completely understand why my spiritual brethren there not just distrust but look down their nose at Alberta - they should!    

[femmefan1946]

From my viewpoint as a user of the postal system, I fear the loss of Canada Post.

One reason is that I have a shipment ready to go to Czechia which would cost me under $30 with Canada Post but over $200 with UPS. 

The cost -efficiency of private carriers is just not there.
It's would be like trading our medicare system for the American wormbucket.

[flipistics]

I just don't understand what the union thought was going to happen. It seems their entire strategy was to bank on the government feeling they were too important to let this drag on (especially with everything else going on) and would just give in to whatever they wanted. They played chicken with a semi while riding a unicycle.

I feel like the government's next move will be to declare them an essential service and send this whole mess to arbitration based on the new mandate.

[recped]

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@femmefan1946 wrote:

From my viewpoint as a user of the postal system, I fear the loss of Canada Post.

One reason is that I have a shipment ready to go to Czechia which would cost me under $30 with Canada Post but over $200 with UPS. 

The cost -efficiency of private carriers is just not there.
It's would be like trading our medicare system for the American wormbucket.

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It's "not there" when you use one of the most expensive services instead of the many alternative service you could choose that would range from  less than Canada Post to sliightly more than Canada Post.

I can ship your theoretical $30 Canada Post shipment to Czechia for $20 (or less) not the ridiculous $200 UPS charge that you cherry picked to "prove" your assertion.

[movie_galaxy]

Police officers in Ontario need the same education as a Postie - both of them require high school or equivalent.

Decades ago, the police required high school, then they changed to a university requirement, but now they have changed back to highschool, not university. Postie is the same.

Postal workers bring down the cost of delivering packages and play a crucial role in the economy. I think they are more important than the police, but that's just my opinion.

I think they should at least get the same increases in salary as the police do. It's fine to pay the police twice as much as a Postie, but if the police get 3 - 6% increases each year, I think Posties should also get 3 - 6% increases each year. They can still earn different salaries, but the increases should be the same.

As it stands now, the police receive much better pay increases than posties and they already earn much more than posties, so the gap keeps getting larger, which means posties get poorer while the police get wealthier.

[movie_galaxy]

Canada Post is worth over 10 billion to the economy every year.

I will lose at least $3,000 each year if Canada Post is dissolved and sold off and I have to use alternative delivery companies. 

Thousands of other businesses will lose too.  It will be a disaster.

[john_koenig99]

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@movie_galaxy wrote:

Police officers in Ontario need the same education as a Postie - both of them require high school or equivalent.

 Well, yes, you need at least a high school diplome or equivalent, to apply for most jobs.

From OPP website:

"A career in policing begins with training at the Ontario Police College in Aylmer, Ontario. OPP recruits receive additional training through the Provincial Police Academy, located at OPP General Headquarters in Orillia."

Could you please point out where one can register to the Postie Academy? 

[musicyouneed]

Do you think that the posties will get legislated back to work?  If so, when a week, 2 weeks, November?  If the posties were were wanting support from the public, they are not getting it from me and any of the people I know.