Canada Post shipments treated as de minimis entries after August 29 - READ

[cottagewoman]

As per section 6(b)(ii) in the executive order, until CBP has a system in place to collect tariffs via postal networks, shipments via postal networks will still enjoy de minimis entry - that means no flat fee, no ad valorem tariff rates, etc.

This will be removed once the system is in place to collect, there will be no grace period or advanced warning. ChitChats confirmed this carve out and information can be verified at the following link (PDF file and recording of their webinar on the upcoming removal of de minimis):
https://chitchats.com/blog/chit-chats-webinars

[john_koenig99]

 Yeah, they are anticipating and charging the tariffs right away, while postal shipments will have a (temporary?) break. 

Knowing the record of whim changes from the big Orange, I'll stick to CP for the time being, at least while they are still operating. I already put a big disclaimer for US buyers, to expect to pay more for the goods, as of Aug 29. 

[recped]

I have to snicker every time I read this:

As per section 6(b)(ii) in the executive order, until CBP has a system in place to collect tariffs via postal networks.

The "system" has been in place for at least 40 years (probably much longer), it's the same system used in Canada where customs calculates the amount of duties payable and it is collected by the postal service (plus a service fee).

[mrdutch1001]

I trust nothing when it comes to USA & its tariffs and I certainly don't trust that CUSMA or any shipment less than $800 de minimus or any postal shipments will be treated as per any existing agreements before,at, after August 29th =Nothing will go "according to Hoyle"...as there will be no consistency>nothing at customs will be in place, no one at customs will know what to and it will be whatever is decided/whomever decides it and whatever happens to it, at any given moment....

[reallynicestamps]

Is CBP the US equivalent of the Canadian Border Services Agency (CBSA)?

I feel really sorry for the Customs agents who cannot know from one day (hour?) to the next what any tariff is going to be.

With the private couriers, they can cover the swings with their high "customs brokerage fees".  Public servants are more tightly watched.

[recped]

CBP = Customs and Border Protection

Customs agents don't need to know what the tarrif rates are, they only need to be able to confirm the HT codes and COO are correct for the goods be processed, everything else is calculated for them.

[cottagewoman]

Here's their problem - CBP relies on the ACE encironment for all issues related to tariffs. None of the IPS members (Canada Post included) have access to it - I imagine if all those individual small value shipments started being input in the millions every day it would seriously stress the ACE system. And they've relied on de minimis for sooo long they are in no way prepared to deal with the load via the traditional system of handling each package one by one manually and calculating the tariff.

[cottagewoman]

That is why in the executive order they put in place a Temporary carve out for postal system shipments. Couriers are much easier to control as they are required to use the ACE environment to submit everything electronically. Postal shipments don't pass through the electronic system.

[mrdutch1001]

No "executive order" from the USA dodo brain can be trusted, which is why shipping to the USA will remain a "risky business" for any Canadian seller...

[dache_us]

Would services like Purolator qualify?

[ilikehockeyjerseys]

This seems facetious, but what is even the point of Canada Post putting such a system in place if the business to the US will be minimal? Or, am I underestimating what demand might look like a year or two down the line once US consumers learn order from Canada = Tariff?

Is Canada Post on the hook for the cost of building and operating the system, or is this system that is referred to operated by customs and used by all "postal" carriers? If this system is expensive to institute and operate, with the state of Canada Post, does it make sense to do it?

Unless there is something to CUSMA compliant goods passing through the postal service without tariffs, and there is a reasonable and easy way that a layman can prove CUSMA compliance for an item they did not manufacture, I assume the volume of packages to the USA will drop substantially. Maybe not on day 1, but as US consumers adjust to the new reality of tariffs, volume will go down. It's another nail in the coffin to Canada Post.

Point being, would Canada Post enter the market of shipping to the USA in 2026 or 2027 with the added costs to do so if they weren't already in it? Or would they just let UPS and Fedex take it?

[recped]

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@dache_us wrote:

Would services like Purolator qualify?

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No they would not, while CP is the majority owner of Purolator it is NOT a recognized postal service or a member of the UPU. Purolator shipments from Canada are handed off to UPS for final delivery in the US.

[cottagewoman]

As per a post on the thread regarding de minimis ending August 29, CBP has put out guidance on how international postal shipments will be sending info and collecting duties as of August 29. Therefore section 6(b)(ii) won't apply as systems are in place to collect.

https://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/USDHSCBP-3ee147f?wgt_ref=USDHSCBP_WIDGET_2

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@cottagewoman wrote:

As per a post on the thread regarding de minimis ending August 29, CBP has put out guidance on how international postal shipments will be sending info and collecting duties as of August 29. Therefore section 6(b)(ii) won't apply as systems are in place to collect.

https://content.govdelivery.com/bulletins/gd/USDHSCBP-3ee147f?wgt_ref=USDHSCBP_WIDGET_2

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Sounds like DT is making good on his promise to make foreign countries pay the tariffs. Sounds like Canada Post will have to be collecting them for mail shipments. (if this gets added to the cost during eBay check out, there will be no way to avoid it, however eBay may have a system to collect it from the buyer).

It's getting pretty messy.

C.

[rdemaree]

Does this mean CUSMA compliant items will be now hit with tariffs too?

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@rdemaree wrote:
Does this mean CUSMA compliant items will be now hit with tariffs too?

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Stallion is going to send an email about that sometime next week. Someone here should probably share, I will be offline (or at least not able to post) after tomorrow night.

C.

[easoss]

If you are a hobby or general casual seller on eBay (like myself) you're finished as far as US sales are concerned. I've has many great American buyers over the years and appreciate every single one of them. But, elections have consequences and this time is the ultimate test of that. Trump believes he can make the USA rich by making everybody else poor. I'm tired of the games and I don't want to play anymore.

[nhl_automotive]

Right now, U.S. buyers are seeing a big pop-up warning about tariffs and extra charges when purchasing from Canadian sellers. If you’ve noticed a drop in sales, this is likely the reason.

The good news is eBay has confirmed they will remove negative feedback from buyers if it’s related to tariffs.

If a U.S. buyer refuses to pay those import charges, eBay will still treat the order as “delivered”, so sellers are protected.

The downside is that most American buyers will simply stop purchasing from Canadians due to the extra costs.

[rdemaree]

do you know where I can see an example of what this pop up warning looks like and if it is ALL Canadian sellers and ALL products they sell? or is it specific sellers/ items?

Let me know thanks

[ilikehockeyjerseys]

I would also appreciate a screenshot of this, if you can get one. 

I tried using a guest checkout with incognito mode and a US address, and did not see a popup. Although, eBay is going to see me as being in Canada when I first add the item to my cart so maybe that is why. 

I understand why they would put this up, but it's a bit annoying to see it added this early.