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Seeing where the consensus lands on paying the tariff on behalf of your buyer or not. Important to consider that even if you were willing to pay tariffs there would still be any processing fees for these transactions. Next to impossible to cover that out of any profit you "might" have left. 

 

Please put me down on this side of the poll:

 

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Or a hard no!!!

 

If you list on dot com are you planning on moving your listings over to ca?

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I don't understand why or how sellers could have the option of pre-paying tariffs on the buyer's behalf.

 

How would that even work?  I'd be happy to pre-pay on my buyer's behalf  because it would mean that I, as a seller, could avoid having to pay processing fees which in many cases would be higher than the actual tariffs.  Most of my items are Made In the USA, and as such should be tariff-free.

 

I've been required to pay duty (really same as tariffs) for about the past year for items bought from the USA.  Perhaps eBay could borrow that model and put it into effect ASAP (unless TACO renegs which could well still happen).  If he does delay, then eBay would be prepared for what's likely to come.

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duty and tariffs are not same thing...they are 2 different/separate fees

https://dclcorp.com/blog/supply-chain/duties-taxes-tariffs-explained/

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AI Overview
 
They pretty much are the same thing.  At least as far as the eBay seller is concerned.
 
A tariff is the specific tax, or rate, levied on imported goods, while a duty is the broader concept of a fee or tax on goods crossing borders, which can include tariffs. You can think of it this way: a tariff is the policy that sets the duty rate, and the duty is the specific amount collected for a particular shipment based on that policy. All tariffs are a type of duty, but not all duties are tariffs, as some duties may not be associated with a specific trade policy or trade restriction.
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@sylviebee wrote:

I don't understand why or how sellers could have the option of pre-paying tariffs on the buyer's behalf.

 

How would that even work?  I'd be happy to pre-pay on my buyer's behalf  because it would mean that I, as a seller, could avoid having to pay processing fees which in many cases would be higher than the actual tariffs.  Most of my items are Made In the USA, and as such should be tariff-free.


"Pre-paying the tariffs" just means shipping DDP (Delivered Duties Paid). Canada Post is working on a system that will allow (rather, require) Canadian shippers to pre-pay any and all cross-border fees before they can send a shipment to the States. Couriers like UPS and FedEx already offer DDP options, and cross-border shippers like ChitChats and Stallion are preparing their DDP options as well. If you're happy to pay them yourself then options currently exist, and other options will emerge as August 29th comes and passes.

 


@sylviebee wrote:

I've been required to pay duty (really same as tariffs) for about the past year for items bought from the USA.  Perhaps eBay could borrow that model and put it into effect ASAP (unless TACO renegs which could well still happen).  If he does delay, then eBay would be prepared for what's likely to come.


You're referring to the "eBay International Shipping" (eIS) service (formerly the Global Shipping Program). This is only available to American sellers for international sales (and a slightly modified program is also available for sellers in the UK). Supposedly a Canadian version of this is coming in the next few months, but implementing a program such as this is a huge, monumental task. Frankly, I'm surprised eBay is even bothering to do so considering how small of a market eBay Canada is.

 

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To answer OP's question, I will not be pre-paying any American's tariffs. I have always listed on dotCA and have always priced my items to be the cheapest option for Canadian buyers. I have excluded the USA for all my listings for the time being. I will sell to the USA again once a) Canada Post's processes are in place to handle the tariffs; and b) eBay implements a way for the tariffs to be collected from US buyers at the time of the sale via a separate line item (or the Canadian global shipping program is launched, whichever comes first).

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I moved my listings to ebay.ca a few years ago. I will not be paying for anybody's duties as I no longer will be selling to the US for the time being.

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I moved all my listings to .ca back in March and will not go back to .com

 

I am very actively working on selling more to Canada and International. I am not delusional to think the USA wont still be a big portion of my base tho. I am just trying to even the playing field so im not so reliant on the USA. 

 

A big reason why im trying to expand to selling in physical stores in Canada. 

 

I am trying to "trump proof" my business so even if the USA keeps getting crazier and I lose a chunk of buyers there or the buyers are rollercoaster buying that ill survive it ok. 

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A big question for me is how will Made in USA items be handled.  Will we need to "prepay" the zero tariff but still have processing costs and need to sign up for Zonal or whatever it is called. 

 

 

 

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dinomitesales, I don’t think any seller will offer to pay tariffs out of pocket.   However, I will check it out because if they don’t have additional fees it might work if there is no duty owing.  Even couriers don’t charge brokerage fees if no tax or duty is owed.

 

Yes, eBay International Shipping has been charging me duty for about the past year, but not only EIS.  I’ve been paying duty on a lot of shipments from the States and every shipment has been assessed.

 

If others, which are much smaller than eBay are doing it, then it can’t be that hard to put into place.   Pretty much the same as charging tax and eBay (and others) should have been prepared for this.  Everyone knew it was coming.

 

lotso……….. In response to your question:  I’m not sure why anyone would alter how they’re doing things because of duty (other than finding a fix for eBay's failure to have a way to bill buyers for duty in place).   If Americans are buying their items now in any quantity, they’ll likely keep doing so.  Sellers who are dribbling out a few low cost sales to the U.S. might have a problem, but maybe not.

 

I always had to wonder why the US had this big break of $800 de minimis while almost everyone else had $20.  As a buyer I envied that, but as a seller I thought it was just fine, but every time I heard them (the Americans) go on about how they needed $ I’d look at this and wonder why they didn’t change their de minimis.  I am the furthest thing from being a Trump fan that one can be, but I get why it’s being done.  We (Canadians) have had protections for on line sales in place for a long time.

 

I’m curious to see how Americans react because this might be the first time they get a taste of what these tariffs mean for them.  They might not even notice or care much, but it could really get under their skin.  Could go either way, but I’m pretty sure that the best option is to watch, wait, and see what comes of it.

 

 

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@devon@ebay

So if a shipment is turned back because the seller does not prepay tariffs (which are also questionably legal), can the seller cancel as "Problem with address"?

 

 

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I kind of love that US is finally going to have to pay the duties that everyone else has had to pay all these years if we wanted to shop out of our country but it sure is creating a hassle for us as sellers! Because of course they can't pay their duties upon receiving like everyone else does - why do all the work when you can make all the other countries do it for you?! That being said - I changed all my listings to $100 shipping for the US so there shouldn't be any buy it nows and added this disclaimer: 

To my American friends:
The $100 shipping cost is just a placeholder - message me before buying so I can figure out your cost for duties. Your government now runs imports like a mob boss - Nice little package you've got there - shame if something happened to it... They call it "duties." I call it protection money. Supposedly I pay it, but let's not kid ourselves, you're the one getting whacked. I could hide it in the price like a casino skim, but I prefer to be upfront about your extortion. You'll have to slip the cash through PayPal before shipping, and no, it's not refundable - because once the Feds get their cut, it's gone faster than common sense in Congress. Maybe one day eBay will add an easier way to collect, but until then: pay up, or fuggedaboutit.

 

I still don't think anyone there will really understand duties or how they are really something they ultimately cover but I figured at least I could amuse myself in the process... 🙂

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Hello all

I stopped all shipping to the USA in February due to the uncertainty of tariffs, customs, and the almost daily changes being made by the president to commerce in general.  I decided that rather than deal with the stress ( I ship through Chit Chats and they had many shipments rejected early on) I would take the hit in lost sales and see where I would end up.  My sales have been the lowest in five years. I was unsure how long I would continue but as I ended up still making profit every month I decided for the summer to cut back hours developing the store (new listings, refresh etc).  Now as fall approaches I will start listing new stuff again.  

It is a shame with what happened to deminimus, but I feel I have to embrace the paradigm shift and wait and see how it all shakes out in the end.  It may take a year or more to see how good/bad the tariffs have affected the economies of both the USA and Canada.  In the meantime, I do not think there is enough margin in most goods I sell to justify the extra work and cost required to sell into the USA at this time.

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@daisydaisy999 wrote:

I kind of love that US is finally going to have to pay the duties that everyone else has had to pay all these years if we wanted to shop out of our country but it sure is creating a hassle for us as sellers! Because of course they can't pay their duties upon receiving like everyone else does - why do all the work when you can make all the other countries do it for you?! That being said - I changed all my listings to $100 shipping for the US so there shouldn't be any buy it nows and added this disclaimer: 

To my American friends:
The $100 shipping cost is just a placeholder - message me before buying so I can figure out your cost for duties. Your government now runs imports like a mob boss - Nice little package you've got there - shame if something happened to it... They call it "duties." I call it protection money. Supposedly I pay it, but let's not kid ourselves, you're the one getting whacked. I could hide it in the price like a casino skim, but I prefer to be upfront about your extortion. You'll have to slip the cash through PayPal before shipping, and no, it's not refundable - because once the Feds get their cut, it's gone faster than common sense in Congress. Maybe one day eBay will add an easier way to collect, but until then: pay up, or fuggedaboutit.

 

I still don't think anyone there will really understand duties or how they are really something they ultimately cover but I figured at least I could amuse myself in the process... 🙂


@daisydaisy999 

 

The US government has been collecting any applicable tariffs for the pas number of months until they could get this NEW system designed/rolled out. The last time I checked the amount collected was in the many many many billions (sounds like a bad Austin Powers quote. 29.6 B into July.) There have been reports that IF and this is a very large IF congress could get this order undone they would be on the hook for refunding. I personally can't see large businesses from anywhere that ship to the USA on a regular basis prepaying customers tariffs. Just like the chance of a vast majority of smaller sellers doing it. Like George Bush stated so elequently...."Isn't gonna happen!!!|

 

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-tariff-refund-2078606

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totally agree - it will be interesting to see what kind of giant clusterf*** this turns into! I just know that if anyone from the States wants to buy from me - they are going to have to pony up the tariffs in advance by Paypal - I wouldn't even want to add them to the listing price - if they return it then I am out the tariff cost as my understanding is that it's not refundable... I also don't want to have to pay FVF on tariffs - if eBay does come up with a way for those to be invoiced with everything else I sure hope they will be exempt but I am guessing not... there are just too many unknowns to really know what the hell is going on yet! 🙂

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@daisydaisy999 wrote:

totally agree - it will be interesting to see what kind of giant clusterf*** this turns into! I just know that if anyone from the States wants to buy from me - they are going to have to pony up the tariffs in advance by Paypal - I wouldn't even want to add them to the listing price - if they return it then I am out the tariff cost as my understanding is that it's not refundable... I also don't want to have to pay FVF on tariffs - if eBay does come up with a way for those to be invoiced with everything else I sure hope they will be exempt but I am guessing not... there are just too many unknowns to really know what the hell is going on yet! 🙂


@daisydaisy999 

As far as I know if a US seller sells using eIS they pay FVF's just up to their hub. Beyond and processing fees to cover are not charged.

 

Here is an explanation of how eIS works and the options it has available.

https://www.ebay.com/help/buying/shipping-delivery/changing-delivery-address-method/international-pu...

 

Hopefully if something like that was set up for Canadian sellers it would be set up in a similar fashion. My concern would be shipping to a central hub (probably Toronto) would be more expensive for sellers located at the opposite end of Canada vs sellers located in Ontario. Would eBay be choosing the shipping method for us?

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well that would be excellent as far as fees go. you are right on shipping costs depending on where you live to get to the hub - I would hope that as long as you send it tracked you could send it however you want but this is where it can get expensive for the buyer since they are paying for the shipping twice so buying something going from Vancouver to Toronto first is going to add to the costs for sure.

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This is why it is so stupid. Most items are already duty free and this can be assessed using the full code from the HTS schedule, mostly. It adds an additional level of user fees by introducing a new middle man. Corruption at its finest.

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It adds an additional level of user fees by introducing a new middle man. Corruption at its finest.

I don't understand what you mean by this point, @tryubik-useonlyasdirected.  Can you elaborate a little, please? What "user fees" are you referring to?

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Hello all

I stopped all shipping to the USA in February due to the uncertainty of tariffs, customs, and the almost daily changes being made by the president to commerce in general.  I decided that rather than deal with the stress ( I ship through Chit Chats and they had many shipments rejected early on) I would take the hit in lost sales and see where I would end up.  My sales have been the lowest in five years. I was unsure how long I would continue but as I ended up still making profit every month I decided for the summer to cut back hours developing the store (new listings, refresh etc).  Now as fall approaches I will start listing new stuff again.  

It is a shame with what happened to deminimus, but I feel I have to embrace the paradigm shift and wait and see how it all shakes out in the end.  It may take a year or more to see how good/bad the tariffs have affected the economies of both the USA and Canada.  In the meantime, I do not think there is enough margin in most goods I sell to justify the extra work and cost required to sell into the USA at this time.


@sparx_63 

Coming at this from the opposite end of the spectrum, besides implementing a Canadian eIS program (who knows when it will be fully functional.... meaning up and running without major glitches, that could potentially cause more grief than sellers already have) is there much else eBay can do to even closely level the playing field for Canadian sellers???

 

Important to remember this will be one of the few jourisdictions where the seller will be paying tariffs AND processing fees for their customers. What will be the % of sellers that can afford to even consider such an option or have the margin to do so? Probably very low!!!

 

Canadian sellers have been behind the 8 ball for a number of years when it came to being competitive. Majority of new features when they got rolled out got rolled out for US sellers first...Canadian sellers second. Often either much later or without the same full functionality meaning as more of a lite version.

 

Due to the volume of listings currently out there, it's next to impossible to be found at the top of the list via a normal search(unless maybe you are able to promote at an extremely high rate). Most of us can't but in the end might be forced to do so. Could it get better if sellers start packing it in? Maybe? Another wait and see'r!!! All I know for the current forseeable future selling consistently (Canada and rest of world only) on eBay is going to be very hit or miss. (((As per several others and their observations/conclusions how much are Canadian sellers really being seen right now when a buyer searches via dot com? That is very likely how most buyers seach and definitely how a US buyer does so. At the moment, this may be my biggest concern keeping me awake at night!!!)))

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCY0aeUx-Ns

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"" This is why it is so stupid. Most items are already duty free and this can be assessed using the full code from the HTS schedule, mostly. It adds an additional level of user fees by introducing a new middle man. Corruption at its finest.""

 

tryubik, you are so right on with that.  You can already see the gears going.  EBay is already trying to figure out how they can make an extra buck at this by adding a middle man.  Canada does not need an International Shipping program.  That was implemented in the US for sellers who didn't want to ship out of the USA.  Not as a tool to collect tariffs, and it's expensive.  Canada has ChitChat for that and he's doing a crack up job a it at a fraction of the cost!

 

What we need is for eBay to caluculate duty or tariffs (if you prefer) the same way they calculate taxes.  How hard can that be?

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@sylviebee wrote:

"" This is why it is so stupid. Most items are already duty free and this can be assessed using the full code from the HTS schedule, mostly. It adds an additional level of user fees by introducing a new middle man. Corruption at its finest.""

 

tryubik, you are so right on with that.  You can already see the gears going.  EBay is already trying to figure out how they can make an extra buck at this by adding a middle man.  Canada does not need an International Shipping program.  That was implemented in the US for sellers who didn't want to ship out of the USA.  Not as a tool to collect tariffs, and it's expensive.  Canada has ChitChat for that and he's doing a crack up job a it at a fraction of the cost!

 

What we need is for eBay to caluculate duty or tariffs (if you prefer) the same way they calculate taxes.  How hard can that be?


@sylviebee  It is still extremely important to consider even the concept of eBay collecting in advance there is the concern they are not in possession of the actual goods. The tariff is based on the documentation which has to be submitted to US customs which can at their discretion inspect to confirm. For the foreseeable future there may be much inspecting going on. Confirming the right tariffs and that sellers are not using inaccurate info to try to bypass the system either with bad info accidentally or on purpose to escape the tariffs. Saying something is worse less than customs thinks it is a major no no. 

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