11-03-2025 02:23 AM
Ebay is crushing its sellers from multiple angles.
First they want to try and push us into using the EIS which will objectively double or triple BOTH shipping prices and shipping times and if we refuse to sign onto this new shipping program they post a big blue banner on our listings scaring away customers with false information insisting USA buyers HAVE TO pay tariffs which isnt the case at all on CUSMA items and in general it is policy for many shippers to pre-pay tariffs on non-CUSMA stuff unless they use UPS or Fedex but if you want to be competitive you likely arent using UPS or fedex.
So from what I gather about that the only shipping methods that exist in the universe in ebays eyes are EIS, UPS and Fedex. --- Chitchats, Stallion Express, Swiftpost, and Canada Post with Zonos etc. all dont exist at all in the eyes of ebay.
To add insult to injury starting in January apparently if you use promoted listings if someone views your promoted listing ad and you sell it to someone completely different who may have found it organically youre on the hook for the promoted listing ad regardless! I knew something was up when they forced the minimum ad% from 1% to 2%. At minimum they are essentially increasing their fees by 2% but then you always get red box warnings about listing with a 9-15% ad rate on top of the standard 11-15% base selling fee rate so really ebay wants practically 1/3 of a cut from your sale if they have it their way and at the very bare minimum they want at LEAST 15% but preferably in th 20-30% range. They also encourage you to offer free shipping (eat the cost) and then you have to figure in the cost to produce or source the item you are selling. Just how much of a bottom line are sellers supposed to settle for?
I have a theory that to make up for less sales by quantity perhaps ebay wants to make it up in raising fees from sellers primarily but also from buyers who choose to buy using EIS.
These new changes are making it harder and harder to make ebay any sort of full time or serious income and I fear it might slip into just a few big fish and then a bunch of smaller hobby sellers. Perhaps this will become a new trend in ecommerce.
I am not liking the direction ebay is going right now. It is bad enough for Canadian small businesses to have to deal with trumps constant rhetoric on canada and bad policies for small businesses globally and the constant Canada Post strikes. Right now what we need is a platform to do everything in their power to keep sellers above water and its feeling pretty rough right now on ebay.
I opted out of EIS.
I will stop using promoted listings entirely.
If these programs were bringing in big views and sales to justify the big price tags I wouldn't be upset about it but my views/ impressions/ sales for Aug-Oct. 2025 vs same period 2024 are all roughly HALF and thats with me running more sale events than I did last year, listing way more prodcuts etc. So literally double the work for half of the return.
I am going to be testing Etsy out and seeing if I can start gaining some traction there so that if ebay continues sinking and turning into an expensive hobby seller platform I will at least have somewhere else to stand if it gets too bad here.
Would love to hear your thoughts and what you guys are doing in light of all of these disastorous new trade and ebay policies that keep on being hurled at us Canadian e commerce sellers.
11-07-2025 03:30 AM - edited 11-07-2025 03:31 AM
A reminder that we do get some Canada Post discounts with a Solutions for Small Business account available free
It's not seamless, and the discounts are less than those eBay negotiated but you can buy the online labels direct if eBay is still unwilling to allow them.
So if you can't buy a Canada Post label on eBay, you can still buy it direct from the post office.
11-07-2025 01:44 PM
Etsy takes a flat fee of 12.5% + the currency fee garbage. There's no tiered pricing or discounts of any kind. The pricing tool only allows you to adjust the item cost, shipping is still the usual. I added 20% to item cost and 10% to shipping (for CN/HK made) and only lose the $2 CBP fee. This would work great on eBay but we'll never see it because of the eIS.
I've taken the good advice offered here and opted back in to eIS since I can see now that my lower shipping rate is highlighted BUT it's right above the banner of death. LOL You just can't win.
Think eBay is making a huge mistake here trying to push us into the eIS. Our sales will never recover if we need to rely on it. But it's more money for them and there's no way they'll partner with Zonos and split profits. Guess we can kiss our CP discounts goodbye forever.
Etsy's thought is that US shops will pick up our slack since Americans are more keen on buying from US sellers now. According to the last earnings report, Etsy isn't feeling the effects of the loss of INTL sales. It's likely the same for eBay since the US is also its biggest market.
Seems to me, everyone's making money but us. Non-US sellers are the only ones losing here.
11-07-2025 04:01 PM
And your other selling site is.... Is it unique to records, or yarn?
Any info would be helpful as I need to sell in more than one place as things are no longer selling for me here. This could be a multi part problem, some of which is eBay.
11-07-2025 04:14 PM - edited 11-07-2025 04:15 PM
I tried discount campaigns, I have done promoted/sponsored listings, currently have some. And it doesnt make a difference for what I sell. I sold more items from my campaigns when the campaign ended, at regular prices.
Now, if one promotes all of their listings, of course they will sell. But only one benifits from that.
The reason you are likely getting more views now on Promoted/Sponsored is because they are no longer marked as 'Sponsored'. They look just like every other listing. Except they are at the top, and many have seriously inflated prices. Depending how you search, you can always tell.
People are more likely to view them if they don't know what they are. I never open them on Google, I wouldn't here either.
The one thing eBay needs to be done with is, SELLER OFFERS. FTW. I couldn't figure out why so many people wanted to cancel purchases, then it hit me; they are getting seller offers anywhere from right away to weeks later. It is the right away ones that are the problem. I stopped refunding and told buyers I have already paid for a shipping label, sorry.
11-07-2025 04:42 PM - edited 11-07-2025 04:46 PM
have been selling on Etsy for the past 4 years selling knitting/crochet pattern books,craft magazines, etc. as well as HandKnits & a bit of vintage....(was also a seller on Etsy with 2 other different shops 2008-2016). I am currently listing a few vinyl records over there...
Etsy criteria for selling: items must be handmade,craft supplies, or vintage(vintage items must be over 20 years old)...
11-07-2025 05:10 PM
I have thought about trying there as I see others selling what I sell there. They are saying they are vintage, and some are over 20 years old. I am guessing Etsy truly doesn't care like other sites as long as the money is rolling in. I mean, I have seen a number of knock off items of what I sell, and people asking and selling for $$. If they let them do that...
I don't get what the 'possible create a profile' fee is, and why it may be charged and how much it is. Hard to find information on that.
11-07-2025 05:18 PM
Well yes, most everything you can buy on eBay in Canada, you can buy way more of in the United States.
The reason US buyers buy from us is to save money, which they can no longer do, as of now (hopefully not for long), which is exactly what was intended with the tariff.
The reason we dont buy a lot from them is the ridiculous shipping charges most sellers have when they can actually ship here tracked for cheap. But many use the Global Shipping garbage and they don't care as most of their sales will be in the US anyway.
11-07-2025 05:42 PM - edited 11-07-2025 05:43 PM
Etsy does try to keep out the re-sellers, the fakes,the knock-offs, and all the items that are not allowed, but at the same time Etsy doesn't "police" the site the way it should and there is just way too much **bleep** that shouldn't be there...
Over the past year or so, Etsy has changed a lot of its process for new start-up shops, so it's not an easy process anymore...I would have opened up a second shop to separate the Hand knit items from some of the other categories, but I wasn't willing to jump through all the hoops and qualifications now needed, so my Etsy shop is becoming a mix of handmade,craft supplies and vintage...
11-07-2025 08:01 PM - edited 11-07-2025 08:14 PM
Thank you for the input. We are all affected uniquely. Interior of BC has only CP Fedex and UPS. Netparcel may have a Kelowna outlet but I don't know that it would be advantageous here. The real question is how much time spent is too much?
EIS. The only thing good about it is the visible tariff charge in the listing separating your widget price and making the tariff transparent to your buyer in the event there is a comparative item listed. In that case it's up to your listing parameters to convince a buyer you have the better deal.
The rest of EIS particularily for us outside the hub region is terrible. Delivery time/ cost/ eco footprint etc.
Here's an example of the tariff line's value; Messages sent from someone who wants to buy from me about items he purchased from a seller in Calgary. He was helpful in guiding me through this debockle;
"The diskettes arrived from Calgary today -- no issues, not any tax, the UPS just dropped them on my porch without even talking to me as always. Another package arrived also today from Turkey of all places and it was a new retro device worth around $75 (SDBOX for Amiga) -- also just dropped into my mailbox and no any tax or tarrif. I think this is just all on paper to deter companies that use some loopholes while nobody is actually enforrcing anytihing on the small packages for individuals. Of course this is just my anecdotal experience based on 5-6 datapoints sofar from several countries (Germany, UK, Ireland, Turkey, Canada). Basically, it is business as usual for my overseas occasional retro/collecting purchases. <Shrug>
2nd msg about the same order
: "Man! Today for the first time in my life (and I have been collecting internationally for like 30 years) i received a customs invoice via paper mail from UPS! It is for the Canadian vintage disketes package i bragged about. I need to pay $6.30 ("Duty amount") BUT also $10 for "Entry prep fee" AND $14 for "Disbursment fee". So to pay $6.30 in customs i need to pay additional $24 for processing! It also says if i don't pay (by 10/25) there will be penalties and interest and also that merchendise is released on a bond and subject to redelivery to customs on demand... blah blah... Description of the Goods was "Vintage Amiga Games Lot" and the value was $17.96 (I of course paid also shipping on top of it but it seems that's not counted in). So the effective tarrif in this case was $30.30 / $17.96 =1.687 which is 167%!!! I paid this because $30.30 is not a big deal but this means end of my purchasing from outside USA. I am not sure if i will get more of these emails but this was the last package i received from overseas and the only mail i got so hope not. Also, i think this was the only sender that used UPS, the others were USPS so not sure maybe USPS is not doing this (yet!?). Anyway, a huge bummer and an end of an era. Also, it is super weird how they trust people to pay this WEEKS POST DELIVERY -- the package was just left on my porch without any indication there will be any additional payment nor opportunity for me to decline anything (as you implied americans are doing) so i am not even sure this is even legal! Anyway... i paid these $30.30 and will never order from overseas unless these policies change..."
Buy, Photo, List, Sell at a Profit, Ship, Repeat.
Apparently this process has become a college. How much is an online entrepreneur's time worth in 2025?
11-07-2025 08:07 PM
Yes, that could be possible. Today's invitation to a Webinar on November 18 (10 days prior to Black Friday) suggests we need to learn how to sell internationally although most Canadian sellers have always relied on international selling.
Invitation to join a Webinar on International Shipping. " Join our November 18 Webinar ( 10 days prior to Black Friday) Discover how you can reach more global buyers, streamline fulfillment, and increase your shipping eligibility - all while having your questions answered live by eBay shipping experts. Be sure to reserve your spot today. Meanwhile, to better support your shipping needs, we invite you to complete this survey. Your feedback will help us set future priorities based on what matters most to you."
11-07-2025 08:18 PM - edited 11-07-2025 08:20 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but I think Etsy owns Reverb which is home for many of my Canadian music associates. I've put intrument restoration and my guitar tech life behind me so eBay is a better venue. I didn't know etsy had vinyl. Why would you choose them and not eBay or discogs?
11-07-2025 08:43 PM - edited 11-07-2025 08:52 PM
@cardcentral_ca wrote:Well yes, most everything you can buy on eBay in Canada, you can buy way more of in the United States.
The reason US buyers buy from us is to save money, which they can no longer do, as of now (hopefully not for long), which is exactly what was intended with the tariff.
The reason we dont buy a lot from them is the ridiculous shipping charges most sellers have when they can actually ship here tracked for cheap. But many use the Global Shipping garbage and they don't care as most of their sales will be in the US anyway.
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With all due respect @cardcentral_ca there is little blah about what buyers perceive from Canada. Please look deeper (outside the forum) at what excellent Canadian reps are selling from their respective niches. Canada is a leader in sought after widgets.
eBay Canada is the only place one could have bought a fireman's jacket commissioned by Gord Downy and the Tragically Hip for just the band and a few crew. Bought by a fashionista for her husband in New York.
Apart from Tupperware Canadian sellers are watched and unique!
in the
11-07-2025 09:01 PM - edited 11-07-2025 09:05 PM
Etsy no longer owns Reverb...I believe Reverb returned to private ownership earlier this year.
I have been selling vinyl on eBay for over 20 years but so very little has sold over the past 5 years....I have also listed and sold vinyl on various other selling sites over the past 15 years...Over the years I also donated thousands of vinyl records locally to downsize. I no longer have any interest in holding onto the vinyl and ...finally! I am down to the last 300 or so...
Yes indeed, Etsy has vinyl>>If vinyl is listed as a craft supply(crafters do use vinyl for crafting) and/or is over 20 years old, can be listed as vintage.
11-07-2025 09:02 PM - edited 11-07-2025 09:03 PM
I said most. And I am sure the 'fashionista' would still buy this item even with the tariff.
Did The Hip ever gain the same popularity south of the border as in Canada? I know when I was going to their concerts back in the day and they were selling out 2 arena shows, they were playing very small venues in the United States. Could you imagine? Makes me wish I was an American.
And I bet a lot of sellers sell that Tupperware south of the border. I don't really understand that sentence, BTW.
11-07-2025 10:07 PM - edited 11-07-2025 10:21 PM
Yes I know you said "most". I understood your post but you also proclaimed " most everything you can buy on eBay in Canada, you can buy way more of in the United States." so I reitereate, the current debockle affects us eBay Canada sellers all differently. Whether it's what you sell, how you sell (shipping method from your remotte location ) or who it is you sell to.
To answer your question about the Hip: See photo below I took in the moment.
(Long answer Community members )
Bands of the 60s and 70s at the time of Woodsotck left us with political impressions mostly due to lyrics. In the 90's The Tragicaly Hip combined thought provoking lyrics with captivating rhythm. I wasn't a fan at all. On Canada Day July 1, 1992 I was Johnny Fayes drum tech. 25K people outdoors in the audience. Much Music event. Johnny chose to use one of the sets I provided but I had not personally delivered it to the stage and unaware of an issue...
After locking him into the drum set the band began a vamp. Pretty sure the vamp was an iimprov vamp into "Little Bones". 20 or 30 bars in Gord came onstage. Watching from stage left johnny gave me a horrific look of desperation... The onstage volume is so loud there is no other way to communicate except visually.
2 or 3 seconds later i could see his desperation was due to his bass drum pedal but I could see the pedal so I crept under the Much Music camera man and under his floor tom. I8 could see 25,000 people looking back at me through the clear head on Johnny's bass drum and I could see the problem.
After I locked him into the set he exchanged the bass drum pedal for his own. His pedal had a platic beater and mine had a felt beater. On the head where the beater hits usually there is an impact pad that protects the head from breaking. They are made from Kevlar or some other bullet proof synthetic. The impact pad was ripped off before Johnny replaced the felt beater with his own solid plastic beater. About 32 bars into the vamp Johnny's beater "welded" it self to the remaining adhesive residue left behind by the Kevlar impact pad.
The scenario means there is no bass drum whatsoever in the vamp before Gord comes onstage and the only way to fix this, in real time, in front of 25,000 screaming people is, well, WD40.
I bolted to my tool station, grabbed my spray can and spent the rest of the Hip's set lying on my back under Johnny's floor tom squirting WD40 on his pedal beater keeping it free from adhesive.
Yes the Hip acheived world wide fame. After I sold that fireman's jacket I kept in touch with the buyer. I was curious what happened to it thinking they would have mounted it into a display. To my surprise her husband was such a Hip fan he wore it to events continuously. That Hip tour was 1999. I sold it around 2019 . I think the 9/11 New York incident multiplied it's signifigance.
If you want to be there, with me under the floor tom on July 1 1992 you're so welcome. Crank up the volume and click the link below. ;>}
With respect to Tupperware, it's simply not Canadian.
Go ahead, ask me a question about The Guess Who. I dare you.
You will need popcorn.
Tragically Hip " Little Bones"
11-08-2025 12:43 PM
Down to the last 300 Wow! You're an audiofile for sure. I'm down to about 400. I don't have much luck on eBay with vinyl either. The ones I've easily sold are "wierd & wonderful" as opposed to run of the mill. The 1st one is one of a Latin Percussion series of about 12 albums. They sell like hotcakes if you see them around. The 2nd is Bryan Adam's 1st band. The 3rd "A Child's Garden Of Grass" is a comedy album in the style of "National Lampoon Meets Cheech & Chong". I find this is the stuff that sells on eBay.
11-08-2025 01:10 PM - edited 11-08-2025 01:29 PM
Sorry about the extra large Home Depot/ Indeed graphic. I forgot to shrink it and take up less real estate .
I was thinking about how much time it takes to make $10 profit over all expenses from sourcing to the shipping. If you make 10 bucks in 15 minutes consecutively it's $40 hr which might be easy and OK for many.
For reference one day's work at that pace would be to source, research, photo, list and ship 32 lower value items (IE approx $12 ea) less all expenses in order to bank $320/day. For comparison this is approximately what a junior house painter makes here in Kelowna.
11-08-2025 01:58 PM
Vinyl is tough online. It's not just the base label shipping price but the cost of specific materials needed. Unless the album is over $50 it's not worth it for me. The only success I've had over the years was HTF metal albums . But being HTF means I've rarely had them to sell.
11-08-2025 02:07 PM - edited 11-08-2025 02:10 PM
My best years for selling vinyl online were pre-2016...got great prices for the vinyl and shipping costs were considerably cheaper...on eBay there were lots of bidding wars for vinyl, but those days are long gone!...now unless the vinyl is truly rare and/or in demand, just not worth it!
11-08-2025 03:52 PM
I have a lot of vinyl. But I do a local record fair twice a year. I sell lots of stuff. People like to see and touch what they're buying and talk to other collectors. Music is as much about the community as the items being sold.